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#1 2011-04-21 17:35:49

kluspossible
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Allow and Not Allow Remixes

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

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#2 2011-04-21 17:45:46

hdarken
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

It was already been suggested, it don't think it will happen.  hmm

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#3 2011-04-21 17:55:26

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

Interesting. How would you feel if people who remix did not get fame off of it?


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#4 2011-04-21 18:38:55

12three
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

Sorry, creative commons licenses fail.  tongue

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#5 2011-04-21 18:54:31

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

12three wrote:

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

Sorry, creative commons licenses fail.  tongue

Yeah, unless they were to change it.


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#6 2011-04-21 19:10:35

fullmoon
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

How would this work? The Scratch website would reject your project for being based off of another one?


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#7 2011-04-21 19:11:21

puppetadventurer
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

never going to change


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#8 2011-04-21 20:31:45

Harakou
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

See part 2. This is pretty much the same thing; it goes against the basic philosophy of Scratch. We should encourage creativity.


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#9 2011-04-21 23:45:56

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

Harakou: He/she has a point. If you spent FOREVER working on a project to get no fame while watchign someone else get fame for a small change + remix, how would you feel?


Back in my day.... there were no laws that censored the internet... now, there are.... nah.

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#10 2011-04-22 00:22:05

kayybee
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

If that happens, it should be told to the ST via contact us link or something like that, and then the duplicate will be deleted and removed from the FP, and the first one would be featured or something like that.

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#11 2011-04-22 01:25:18

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kayybee wrote:

If that happens, it should be told to the ST via contact us link or something like that, and then the duplicate will be deleted and removed from the FP, and the first one would be featured or something like that.

Kayybee is right, but they might not get featured.

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#12 2011-04-22 02:13:57

kayybee
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

No, I meant that should be the suggestion instead.

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#13 2011-04-22 02:18:38

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kayybee wrote:

No, I meant that should be the suggestion instead.

Oh. I don't get what you're suggesting there though...  hmm

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#14 2011-05-06 19:01:52

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

They should ban remixes, or have an option for whether or not you can remix chosen by the creator.


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#15 2011-05-07 18:46:47

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

icerosethecat wrote:

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

They should ban remixes, or have an option for whether or not you can remix chosen by the creator.

1. That goes against the Scratch's "imagine • program • SHARE"
2. That's exactly what the user is suggesting.
3. That's exactly what we're discussing.

That's basically a step backward from where we are.

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#16 2011-05-08 00:01:49

goldenwolfpro
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

i  think people should  just have to ask for permission from the creator before they can remix it.

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#17 2011-05-08 04:16:44

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

goldenwolfpro wrote:

i  think people should  just have to ask for permission from the creator before they can remix it.

You'd have to change the license.

Yeah, this is true, but another one of scratch's annoying parts that we can't changed. Cube guy is a famous example of this.


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#18 2011-05-08 04:27:31

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

What If It Uses WeDo,Pictoboard Or/And Microphone?


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#19 2011-05-12 20:50:53

icerosethecat
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kayybee wrote:

icerosethecat wrote:

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

They should ban remixes, or have an option for whether or not you can remix chosen by the creator.

1. That goes against the Scratch's "imagine • program • SHARE"
2. That's exactly what the user is suggesting.
3. That's exactly what we're discussing.

That's basically a step backward from where we are.

'Kay. See what you mean. Thanks for telling me.


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#20 2011-05-12 20:55:15

icerosethecat
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

kayybee wrote:

icerosethecat wrote:

kluspossible wrote:

Picture this. You work extremely on a scratch project. It might even become popular. Suddenly, tons of people remix it, and get fame off of it, though they only did simple changes to it.

I wish we could turn on and off the options for people to remix our project. I just feel like in a way there stealing it.

They should ban remixes, or have an option for whether or not you can remix chosen by the creator.

1. That goes against the Scratch's "imagine • program • SHARE"
2. That's exactly what the user is suggesting.
3. That's exactly what we're discussing.

That's basically a step backward from where we are.

But I always saw the word SHARE as in you get to share your OWN ideas, not other peoples'. Ah well. I'll have to ask the Scratch Team. I know they believe in remixing, but just the whole remixing thing... bothers me. Yeah, that's the way to put it.


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#21 2011-05-12 22:58:22

Chrischb
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

icerosethecat wrote:

kayybee wrote:

icerosethecat wrote:

They should ban remixes, or have an option for whether or not you can remix chosen by the creator.

1. That goes against the Scratch's "imagine • program • SHARE"
2. That's exactly what the user is suggesting.
3. That's exactly what we're discussing.

That's basically a step backward from where we are.

But I always saw the word SHARE as in you get to share your OWN ideas, not other peoples'. Ah well. I'll have to ask the Scratch Team. I know they believe in remixing, but just the whole remixing thing... bothers me. Yeah, that's the way to put it.

If you don't like the remixing part of Scratch, here's a quote from cheddargirl that's in the Lovely Sticky of Resolved Suggestions :3

cheddargirl wrote:

Honestly, if I didn't want other people taking the art and music form my projects, I would post my projects on my own personal site and set my own Creative Commons/copyright license or not upload my project to the Scratch website at all.


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#22 2011-05-17 23:16:24

icerosethecat
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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

Chrischb wrote:

icerosethecat wrote:

kayybee wrote:

1. That goes against the Scratch's "imagine • program • SHARE"
2. That's exactly what the user is suggesting.
3. That's exactly what we're discussing.

That's basically a step backward from where we are.

But I always saw the word SHARE as in you get to share your OWN ideas, not other peoples'. Ah well. I'll have to ask the Scratch Team. I know they believe in remixing, but just the whole remixing thing... bothers me. Yeah, that's the way to put it.

If you don't like the remixing part of Scratch, here's a quote from cheddargirl that's in the Lovely Sticky of Resolved Suggestions :3

cheddargirl wrote:

Honestly, if I didn't want other people taking the art and music form my projects, I would post my projects on my own personal site and set my own Creative Commons/copyright license or not upload my project to the Scratch website at all.

Huh. Good point. I don't mind it if you remix and take some of it, I'm just sick of people that take ALL of it and recolor it. Then they call it theirs and don't give credit to you at all.


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#23 2011-05-17 23:35:50

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

Has been brought out hundreds of times... *sigh* this kind of thing is not going to happen because Scratch motto is "Imagine . Program. Share and remixed projects usually don't get featured, the original ones do.

But look on the bright side! You might even get into "Top Remixed" section!


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#24 2011-05-19 18:12:56

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

If I didn't want people to remix my projects, I'd just put them on my website.


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#25 2011-05-19 18:45:31

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Re: Allow and Not Allow Remixes

I dissagree, this takes the "share" part out of Scratch. If you can't let people remix your projects then the "share" part is only a partial truth.  hmm


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