Scratch

Billybob-Mario wrote:

Scratch shouldn't be rewritten in Flash. It was always in Squeak, and it worked out fine. It should stay the way it is. Also, what about mods? There would be no more mods, because they're in squeak. Flash won't do Scratch as well as squeak could. Shift-click r might work, but it would be in a different language. All of the mods, Slash, BYOB, Panther, Streak, ect, would all die out from the transfer.

iamback wrote:

Yes, I agree.
Squeak is a lot better. Offline Flash is terrible, and Flash has lots of security holes. In particular, you would have to have "just the right version" of Flash. Not so in Java. Bye bye, Flash!

fullmoon wrote:

The advantages of using Squeak are clear:

- It is totally open-source, which is more in accordance with the philosophy of Scratch
- It is dynamic in the same way Scratch is
- It might actually be faster (runs at a lower level of abstraction) than Flash, although I'm not sure.

PW132 wrote:

Compatibility issues: If the WHOLE of Scratch is re-programmed,  old files may become out dated and have issues in a flash version.

No right click.
Flash crashes some computers.

Some kind of online Squeak VM could be used instead. (link to forums)

(more to come)

Who agrees?

Billybob-Mario
meew0
iamback
henley
PW132
TheGameMaster1231
TimeFreeze
Da_su-Ra1el

interesting... now, on what browser is squeak faster? and flash works fine.

coolstuff wrote:

Random97 wrote:

Billybob-Mario wrote:

Scratch shouldn't be rewritten in Flash. It was always in Squeak, and it worked out fine. It should stay the way it is. Also, what about mods? There would be no more mods, because they're in squeak. Flash won't do Scratch as well as squeak could. Shift-click r might work, but it would be in a different language. All of the mods, Slash, BYOB, Panther, Streak, ect, would all die out from the transfer.

iamback wrote:

Yes, I agree.
Squeak is a lot better. Offline Flash is terrible, and Flash has lots of security holes. In particular, you would have to have "just the right version" of Flash. Not so in Java. Bye bye, Flash!

fullmoon wrote:

The advantages of using Squeak are clear:

- It is totally open-source, which is more in accordance with the philosophy of Scratch
- It is dynamic in the same way Scratch is
- It might actually be faster (runs at a lower level of abstraction) than Flash, although I'm not sure.

No right click.
Flash crashes some computers.

Some kind of online Squeak VM could be used instead. (link to forums)

(more to come)

Who agrees?

Billybob-Mario
meew0
iamback
henley
PW132
TheGameMaster1231
TimeFreeze
Da_su-Ra1el

interesting... now, on what browser is squeak faster? and flash works fine.

Squeak running in a browser is very uncommon 

I think that's the point Random is trying to make.

5 percent support.

It has NO SENSE to keep it in Squeak! Flash is faster and better, most people have Flash, it actually uses less memory, so.... About the mods, as some1 said before me, Scratch 2 is gonna catch up!

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

The one thing that I have to say is...FLASH HAS NO RIGHT CLICKING SUPPORT except for it's settings menu.

you can change what the right click menu says.

daniel_j wrote:

Also, another point that I believe in is size, will Scratch still be the usual file size of 50MB or will the size increase to close to 1GB, I know tihs might not matter to you, but I 'm trying to limit GB usuage as I am limited to 3GB a day.

I'm at some fancy hotel with a limit of 512 Kb/day 

It should run in Squak,Flash and Java!

stickdude123 wrote:

squeak: lotsa stuff on screen, text disapears
flash: lotsa stuff on screen, a little lag but it won't do anything wrong

squeak: upload limit
flash: unlimited upload

squeak: get new comp, all your work not present (gone)
flash: get new comp, cloud storage brings projects to you

squeak: choppy graphics
flash: vector (smoothe no matter how small) graphics

squeak: down right slow
flash: very fast

squeak: needs to be downloaded
flash: download the plugin but nothing else

squeak: move a large script and wait a minute
flash: move a large script and no wait

plus it wont make mods disapear, it would encourage the modders to do a better job and maybe even make their mods better then 2.0

and plus if you don't wanna use it online there is always a downloadable version, honest

squeak: hard
actionscript: easy

squeak: Bad
flash: good

+1

I agree, some people have limited internet connection, my may mean they only have time for downloading scratch before it goes bust, not all computers can run flash, and flash isn't open source like squeak, and isn't being creative THE WHOLE POINT of scratch?

SciTecCf wrote:

What?! That's how much I use in a month.

Hah, i struggle to use less than 4 GB aday.. I think i'm on too much xxD

Flash seems like the obvious choice.
-No disappearing Text bug
-a LOT faster
-takes up less memory
-better graphics
-better sound recording
-Can handle large projects a lot better.

It's called the downloadable version.