Scratch

Yep! Sorry, I'm typing on my phone's numpad.

GlitchSprite wrote:

fullmoon wrote:

And what does your sig mean

its encoded in base64 which lease you to a website with a message encoded in base64 which says "Bet you feel stupid."
thats sorta mean man

also according to rhy he never actually refused to be respectful so i dont know what all that jazz is about

Stickman704 wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Stickman704 wrote:

A silly stupid point which won't help anyone.

Wouldn't it be funny if Rhys moved house so got a totally new internet and came back? That would be lul 

*cough* being a bit immature there...

Um kid you know he can make a new account whenever he wants right

They would then block his IP.

From what I hear, they already did.

Wait, I am confused. What was the new project/account that got banned. Also, I never did see why he was banned in the first place (Then again, my attendence on the forum has been lacking lately...)

So, anyone wish to explain what got him in trouble in the first place, beyond the simple being a troll? 

Good thing I have Sketch saved. 

Wait, Blade, why did you delete your post?

TuffGhost wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

S65 wrote:

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What exactly did RHY say to the Scratch Team?

You know, I'd trust the Scratch Team more than RHY.

whyd you do that

i mean seriously why wouldnt you trust the guy whos only talking to his friends rather than the group thats trying to cover up someones presence on the site by deleting everything new he puts up

I hope that is sarcasm. 0_o

Erm...that group would also be a bunch of college grads who work at the most renowned technical college in the world, and who invented the program and website that they banned him from. I would tend to trust them. Just sayin...

Jonathanpb wrote:

You know, I'd trust the Scratch Team more than RHY.

I know RHY as a friend, and I don't think he's nearly that manipulative.

All I want to know is what exactly RHY said to the team (direct quotes would be nice). If he did actually say he wouldn't be respectful then okay, if he didn't then...well, what's the reason to keep him banned?

Don't get me wrong, I understand being staff of a huge community like this one is hard, and outbreaks of drama like this one can only make the job harder. Of course the "right" decisions won't be made 100% or even 90% of the time, and I don't expect them to be either. And I also understand that in the end it's your site, you guys own the server and you provided us the program for free, and gave us these forums and this community. And I don't want to sound ungrateful towards that, but I mean, if a decision is unfair and the majority of the community seems to agree, why keep on supporting it?

It's not like you couldn't just ban him again, this time permanently without any chance of being reinstated, if he screws up again on his second chance. There is a clear rationale behind that, and you even have this topic in public view to support that, if you do choose to go that route, yes you gave him a second chance, and he failed it. But the circumstances behind the original ban are looking increasingly opaque and vague to me. Maybe I'm biased because I regularly talk to the guy but idk.

(offtopic) @ Bobby500: dude I haven't seen you since like years ago, you're the guy who made those Scratch Awards right?

Last edited by S65 (2010-11-27 17:45:04)

I think maybe RHY should be unbanned from the main site, but stay banned on the forum. Was he only disrespectful on the forums, or was he on the main site too?

uhhh dudes
being a tad hypocritical with the title here, huh

i agree with TuffGhost
you couldve banned his new account and left the project up or something
i mean deleting it wasnt really necessary, dont you think
(probably been said before, but i dont really feel like reading through this entire thread again to check)

Last edited by rufflebee (2010-11-27 18:26:16)

Bobby500 wrote:

Wait, Blade, why did you delete your post?

I didn't
The scratch team must not want us to discuss that part of his ban or something, even though he's said it himself

Last edited by Blade-Edge (2010-11-27 18:35:40)

Blade-Edge wrote:

Bobby500 wrote:

Wait, Blade, why did you delete your post?

I didn't
The scratch team must not want us to discuss that part of his ban or something, even though he's said it himself

what part of his banning

oh wait obviously if they dont want you talking about it its not going to help to post it because they'll just delete that too >>>:CCC

Last edited by TuffGhost (2010-11-27 20:17:49)

S65 wrote:

I know RHY as a friend, and I don't think he's nearly that manipulative. All I want to know is what exactly RHY said to the team (direct quotes would be nice). If he did actually say he wouldn't be respectful then okay, if he didn't then...well, what's the reason to keep him banned?

We want to make sure people trust us when contacting us. We want people to know we will not share the content of the messages they sent to us privately. For that reason, we want to keep the communication between us and any member of the community private. If RHY or anyone else want to make those messages public, they are free to do it. However, we don't think it's appropriate for us to do it. Since you know RHY, you can ask for the specific messages we have exchanged.  Ultimately, people can always doubt the existence or the manipulation of any message is posted online. Digital information can be easily altered or fabricated, reputation is one of the few things that can only built over the course of time.

Again,  to reiterate what we have said before. After blocking RHY's account for the first time, we asked, as we always do in these cases, to contact us, to agree to follow the terms of use and be respectful. In this case we did not get an agreement to do so, hence we decided not to unblock the account. As simple as that.

S65 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I understand being staff of a huge community like this one is hard, and outbreaks of drama like this one can only make the job harder. Of course the "right" decisions won't be made 100% or even 90% of the time, and I don't expect them to be either. And I also understand that in the end it's your site, you guys own the server and you provided us the program for free, and gave us these forums and this community. And I don't want to sound ungrateful towards that, but I mean, if a decision is unfair and the majority of the community seems to agree, why keep on supporting it?

We do listen to the community. We keep things as democratic as possible. In fact, I'm often the one that push for this more than anyone else in the Scratch Team. Many things are decided by the community, from sections on the front page to moderators on the forums, to suggestions for future improvements to Scratch.

However,  ultimately we are the ones who decide what we want to do with the website and what type of behavior we want to support on this site.  We do not make our decisions about blocking or unblocking of accounts based on what the community wants. After all, world history has shown us that sometimes terrible leaders can be elected by the majority.

S65 wrote:

It's not like you couldn't just ban him again, this time permanently without any chance of being reinstated, if he screws up again on his second chance. There is a clear rationale behind that, and you even have this topic in public view to support that, if you do choose to go that route, yes you gave him a second chance, and he failed it. But the circumstances behind the original ban are looking increasingly opaque and vague to me. Maybe I'm biased because I regularly talk to the guy but idk.

We do give second chances. Many people have gotten their accounts blocked, and then after reflection, they come around,  agree to be respectful and follow the Terms of Use and get their accounts unblocked. We do this all the time, but we only do it when we get clear and sincere signals that convince us that things will be different in the future. Of course, as many things online, there is always uncertainty so we often assess each case by case differently and as efficiently as possible. This happens every single day. We have had thousands of people whose accounts were  blocked contact us and gotten their accounts unblocked. Many of you have experienced this (feel free to share your thoughts if you are one of these people).  This is how we have a thriving community today with more than 600,000 members. 

In this particular case we never received any signs of change, in fact, quite the opposite we got clear signals of rejection to the invitation to treat others with respect and kindness.

There are more than half a million accounts. There is no reason why we would we care to  block one account more than any other. And ultimately we all are working on Scratch for the love it. Scratch is not a for profit company, we do care about pleasing advertisers or to get people to buy anything.  We do have limited time and resources, so we try to establish processes that we think make the best use of those resources. Our main goal is to have a welcoming and friendly community for everyone and we do this to best of our abilities.