Scratch

I agree.

Flash would ruin all the effort people that want to make scratch mods have put into learning squeak.

The point of Scratch is not to create Scratch mods, why can't some one you understand this! Flash is more widely used than squeak; would you rather make games and stuff using Flash, or mess with the Scratch Source Code using Streak? You are focused on making environments to make projects in, not actually making the projects.

What's the problem with learning Flash? You can still continue working on your Scratch mods with Scratch 1.4. People have continued using older versions of Scratch after an update has come out all the time!

In short, I STRONGLY AGREE with making Scratch in Flash.

Last edited by The-Whiz (2010-06-19 18:51:31)

Survivorduck wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

The point of Scratch is not to create Scratch mods, why can't some one you understand this! Flash is more widely used than squeak; would you rather make games and stuff using Flash, or mess with the Scratch Source Code using Streak? You are focused on making environments to make projects in, not actually making the projects.

What's the problem with learning Flash? You can still continue working on your Scratch mods with Scratch 1.4. People have continued using older versions of Scratch after an update has come out all the time!

In short, I STRONGLY AGREE with making Scratch in Flash.

I tried messing with the source code and it crashed scratch on my laptop 
So I agree with every word you say, The-Whiz! 

Just because it didn't work for you doesn't make it bad. Just re-install.

The-Whiz wrote:

The point of Scratch is not to create Scratch mods, why can't some one you understand this! Flash is more widely used than squeak; would you rather make games and stuff using Flash, or mess with the Scratch Source Code using Streak? You are focused on making environments to make projects in, not actually making the projects.

What's the problem with learning Flash? You can still continue working on your Scratch mods with Scratch 1.4. People have continued using older versions of Scratch after an update has come out all the time!

In short, I STRONGLY AGREE with making Scratch in Flash.

This. I made this point earlier about Scratch not being about maing Scratch mods, but they didn't listen - thanks for re-pointing this out.

Why is this Protests going on ??????? This is only for our betterment.FLASH WOULD MAKE SCRATCH A LOT FASTER AND EASIER TO USE.

BTW, We can also have Scratch in Both Squeak and Flash. That would ensure that niether scratch (flash/squeak) suffers.

But for this, we will have to make a method to convert Squeak-Scratch programs into Flash-Scratch programs  and vice versa.....


Final VERDICT (FROM ME)- LETS WELCOME FLASH BUT LET US NOT FORGET SQUEAK

16Skittles wrote:

the switch to flash might make it possible to save projects as swf files, which means scratch games can go on flash game sites.

I'm not so sure I agree with this. Just because the program is made in Flash doesn't mean it has the capability to make .swfs.

16Skittles wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

the switch to flash might make it possible to save projects as swf files, which means scratch games can go on flash game sites.

I'm not so sure I agree with this. Just because the program is made in Flash doesn't mean it has the capability to make .swfs.

I said might. even if it's not a basic scratch feature, somebody could still make a program like jens' scratch2exe.

Actually, it would be a lot easier to make projects run in a desktop interface, considering that Flash can run on desktops...

I say neither. That is, Scratch shouldn't be in Squeak nor Flash. Instead, I'm all for JavaScript. Let's list the advantages!
-- Easy to program in, unlike Flash
-- Free and open-source, unlike Flash
-- Works online, unlike Squeak
-- Pretty powerful
Go JavaScript! 

archmage wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

the switch to flash might make it possible to save projects as swf files, which means scratch games can go on flash game sites.

I'm not so sure I agree with this. Just because the program is made in Flash doesn't mean it has the capability to make .swfs.

Even Jens sb to exe doesn't really convert it into a exe, it just extracts the player and the project. One easy way to make .sb to .swf work is to make the flash just take the .sb from the scratch site instead of having it contain the sb file.

why would Jens lie to me? after all I never did for him?    well, I guess I did help spread the word that he wasn't in the scratch team anymore.

juststickman wrote:

jackrulez wrote:

I say neither. That is, Scratch shouldn't be in Squeak nor Flash. Instead, I'm all for JavaScript. Let's list the advantages!
-- Easy to program in, unlike Flash
-- Free and open-source, unlike Flash
-- Works online, unlike Squeak
-- Pretty powerful
Go JavaScript! 

How is javascript any easier than actionscript?

Maybe because I know JavaScript not ActionScript? 

16Skittles wrote:

meew0 wrote:

juststickman wrote:

How is javascript any easier than actionscript?

Maybe because I know JavaScript not ActionScript? 

actionscript isa version of javascript.

Oh.

I agree with this, and I'm not sure if anyone realized this, but you wouldn't be able to right click. That would fail right away.

PW132 wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

jackrulez wrote:

I say neither. That is, Scratch shouldn't be in Squeak nor Flash. Instead, I'm all for JavaScript. Let's list the advantages!
-- Easy to program in, unlike Flash
-- Free and open-source, unlike Flash
-- Works online, unlike Squeak
-- Pretty powerful
Go JavaScript! 

Javascript isn't really designed for large-scale projects like this... Think of the difficulties!

Well, if somebody ported a Nintendo 64 emulator to Java, then it may just work! =P

Javascript is not the same thing as Java.