Scratch

wiimaster wrote:

1. If you see a 'pointless' art project, don't view it if you don't want it top viewed!

The thing is that you can't always identify a project being art or a game just from a single image.

Lucario621 wrote:

My question is this, to all of you people on the animators side:

Why did you join Scratch?

If you answered "because this way, I could share my art", than you should leave.

If you answered "because my friend told my to join, and now I can have fun and talk to my friends", than you should leave.

If you answered "because I enjoy annoying others", than you seriously should leave.

If you answered "to gain some experience in programming", than you're in the right place.

If you answered "to share my creativity and knowledge to make interactive works of art", than you're in the right place.

If you answered "to collaborate with others on projects, having fun", than you're in the right place.

Do you get what I'm saying?

Lucario621 wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

My question is this, to all of you people on the animators side:

Why did you join Scratch?

If you answered "because this way, I could share my art", than you should leave.

If you answered "because my friend told my to join, and now I can have fun and talk to my friends", than you should leave.

If you answered "because I enjoy annoying others", than you seriously should leave.

If you answered "to gain some experience in programming", than you're in the right place.

If you answered "to share my creativity and knowledge to make interactive works of art", than you're in the right place.

If you answered "to collaborate with others on projects, having fun", than you're in the right place.

Do you get what I'm saying?

My reason is something like "I enjoyed playing games, and looking at 'movies' and art on Scratch. So I wanted to make my own."

Last edited by Penguinsrock (2010-04-30 21:04:39)

Lucario621 wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

My question is this, to all of you people on the animators side:

Why did you join Scratch?

If you answered "because this way, I could share my art", than you should leave.Not really, and I did it to share animations. But I soon took off from there with art.

If you answered "because my friend told my to join, and now I can have fun and talk to my friends", than you should leave.Nope, I was the first one in school to hear of it.   

If you answered "because I enjoy annoying others", than you seriously should leave. .......Heh heh.

If you answered "to gain some experience in programming", than you're in the right place. Naw.

If you answered "to share my creativity and knowledge to make interactive works of art", than you're in the right place. Interactive......heck no.

If you answered "to collaborate with others on projects, having fun", than you're in the right place. Maso menos.

Do you get what I'm saying?Yeah, sah, but I don't agree completely.

hmnwilson wrote:

I can't blame artists for doing what they like, but honestly, Scratch in general is just a bad place to post art. If you're going to put effort into a piece of art, you don't want to post it on Scratch, because:

• There's a 480*360 limit, so anything larger than that gets scaled down and ends up looking terrible. Actually, the program in general isn't good for art.

• Websites like deviantart have many experienced artists who can give you useful feedback on how to improve your art. Scratch... doesn't.

• There's a reason for all those blocks to be there. And no, "when green flag clicked, play sound (insert overplayed song)" doesn't count.

• You'll get insulted. A lot.

That being said, if artists/animators got together with programmers, we could get some amazing projects...

I have to say, that's true. That's why I don't post art. But, as you said, we can't blame them for doing what they like.

littletonkslover wrote:

hmnwilson wrote:

I can't blame artists for doing what they like, but honestly, Scratch in general is just a bad place to post art. If you're going to put effort into a piece of art, you don't want to post it on Scratch, because:

• There's a 480*360 limit, so anything larger than that gets scaled down and ends up looking terrible. Actually, the program in general isn't good for art.

• Websites like deviantart have many experienced artists who can give you useful feedback on how to improve your art. Scratch... doesn't.

• There's a reason for all those blocks to be there. And no, "when green flag clicked, play sound (insert overplayed song)" doesn't count.

• You'll get insulted. A lot.

That being said, if artists/animators got together with programmers, we could get some amazing projects...

*Yup, but whatever. We do it, and I don't believe it's wrong.
*Not really. There are some really good artists here. Plus, dA isn't really an appropriate website and most famous artists on dA never pay attention to you.
* OMG BLOCKSSS I NEED TO USE THEM OR I'MAA BD PPLZ
*That's why I'm doing this, jerk. To stop it. I won't give up.

Let's see what points Tonkeh-Gal has made:
(These are a rewrite of what she said)
*Not the point
*Those cats look awesome, how they make them look like a 3 year olds drawing, at least the famous people here pay attention to my pointless posts
*Blocks? Oh come on, that's just an add-on to de epic paint program
*I won't give up! Now stop insulting me!!!

Now let's shine some light on these things:
*There was nothing that said it was "wrong." It's the poor quality of art from the paint editor, and the window size.
*Yep, those artists sure are awesome. There was AWESOME art in that new project by MahoAshley, and the one with the SPongebob clips. (How did those become "famous")
*Those blocks are there for a reason, as already stated. They have functions that can make your projects even better. Not understanding them is no excuse to spam this site.
*You're gonna be insulted forever, no matter what type of person

Jonathanpb wrote:

I don't care about art - I just want projects to have programming, no matter how little. If a project has programming, it's fine - this is a programming website, right?

Animations are perfectly fine - they have programming.
Art is perfectly fine - but if an art project doesn't have any programming, it should be shared somewhere else.

That was a nice speech - why did everyone ignore it? 

Does anyone agree with me?

webgal15 wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

Because ~90% of projects have little (1-5 useless scripts) to no programming.

So?

demosthenes wrote:

Most games get unrecognized. Art with no programming or "announcement" projects from famous art-makers get all the attention.

...And?

What great arguments. I think you have us there, Webgal.

cocoanut wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

With 24 hours a day?

A good scratch game could take five to ten hours. But you don't work on it all at one time.

Dude, my latest project took 8 hours total. Bigger ones I have worked on for greater than 24 hours, and some 48 (but haven't finished most of them)

Two full days.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

But that doesn't matter anyway. You're still the only ones making art a big deal.

The SynOS 3 took me like 2 months. Working on it for about 4 hours a day. So, there.

Jonathanpb wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

I don't care about art - I just want projects to have programming, no matter how little. If a project has programming, it's fine - this is a programming website, right?

Animations are perfectly fine - they have programming.
Art is perfectly fine - but if an art project doesn't have any programming, it should be shared somewhere else.

That was a nice speech - why did everyone ignore it? 

Does anyone agree with me?

Not quite. If I may revise the last statement:

Art is perfectly fine - but if an art project doesn't have any programming and is not intended to be remixed/used in projects made by others, it should be shared somewhere else.

I have had no problem with art on Scratch insofar that others can use it for their own projects. For Scratchers who are not very good at art, it is often easier for Scratchers to take a scriptless art project and then add their own scripts in. If someone were to upload an art project and then make a big fuss about how it shouldn't be used (which, incidentally, would be against Scratch's remix policy anyway), then I would consider having the art moved to an online art gallery site - but insofar that it is open for others to remix, then I have no problem with.

Here's an idea to think about - since much of the art on Scratch is for sharing, why not find one of the art projects, change/add scripts, and then upload it as a remix? 

cheddargirl wrote:

I have had no problem with art on Scratch insofar that others can use it for their own projects. For Scratchers who are not very good at art, it is often easier for Scratchers to take a scriptless art project and then add their own scripts in. If someone were to upload an art project and then make a big fuss about how it shouldn't be used (which, incidentally, would be against Scratch's remix policy anyway), then I would consider having the art moved to an online art gallery site - but insofar that it is open for others to remix, then I have no problem with.

Here's an idea to think about - since much of the art on Scratch is for sharing, why not find one of the art projects, change/add scripts, and then upload it as a remix? 

That's a really good idea!  Just be sure to give lots of credit to the artist 

juststickman wrote:

Most of doody's projects (again, no offense, but you have to admit it's kinda annoying, you know how quickly you make your projects)


Am I the only one?

No, no you're not.