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bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

I don't have any patience for that. I suppose that's the problem with my generation.

Nah, the problem with your generation (I'm assuming from the context that you're young) is that you don't understand the need for privacy online, and cheerfully bare your every move on Facebook for future potential employers and the FBI to find. 

I'm the exception to the rule - even if you knew my name, you wouldn't be able to find anything about me on Facebook: someone else with the same name has a page, not me 

Last edited by nXIII (2010-04-21 20:04:46)

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

I don't have any patience for that. I suppose that's the problem with my generation.

Nah, the problem with your generation (I'm assuming from the context that you're young) is that you don't understand the need for privacy online, and cheerfully bare your every move on Facebook for future potential employers and the FBI to find. 

Boy, is this ever the wrong place to find stuff like this! What's it today, International Make Fun of Children Day, or are you just completely biased?

Why did you even mention that? You don't come upon a stranger every day that says, "Hey, little kid! I know who you are because of the Internet! Isn't that great? Pretty soon, I'll be knocking on your door with a big sack that I'm ready to shove you in and scamper away with! Isn't that absolutely wonderful? See you in a bit, little kid!"

No. You don't. But that's sorta what you're doing, albeit on a much smaller scale.

Last edited by cocoanut (2010-04-21 20:18:06)

cocoanut wrote:

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

I don't have any patience for that. I suppose that's the problem with my generation.

Nah, the problem with your generation (I'm assuming from the context that you're young) is that you don't understand the need for privacy online, and cheerfully bare your every move on Facebook for future potential employers and the FBI to find. 

Boy, is this ever the wrong place to find stuff like this! What's it today, International Make Fun of Children Day, or are you just completely biased?

Why did you even mention that? You don't come upon a stranger every day that says, "Hey, little kid! I know who you are because of the Internet! Isn't that great? Pretty soon, I'll be knocking on your door with a big sack that I'm ready to shove you in and scamper away with! Isn't that absolutely wonderful? See you in a bit, little kid!"

No. You don't. But that's sorta what you're doing, albeit on a much smaller scale.

Did he ever say the problem was internet predators?

No, he specifically said that the problem is when people post content without thought on the web, they allow that content to be viewed publicly which can cause serious problems if you've ever posted anything that might hurt your chances of getting a job, as prospective employers can view what you wrote/posted.

demosthenes wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

bharvey wrote:

Nah, the problem with your generation (I'm assuming from the context that you're young) is that you don't understand the need for privacy online, and cheerfully bare your every move on Facebook for future potential employers and the FBI to find. 

Boy, is this ever the wrong place to find stuff like this! What's it today, International Make Fun of Children Day, or are you just completely biased?

Why did you even mention that? You don't come upon a stranger every day that says, "Hey, little kid! I know who you are because of the Internet! Isn't that great? Pretty soon, I'll be knocking on your door with a big sack that I'm ready to shove you in and scamper away with! Isn't that absolutely wonderful? See you in a bit, little kid!"

No. You don't. But that's sorta what you're doing, albeit on a much smaller scale.

Did he ever say the problem was internet predators?

No, he specifically said that the problem is when people post content without thought on the web, they allow that content to be viewed publicly which can cause serious problems if you've ever posted anything that might hurt your chances of getting a job, as prospective employers can view what you wrote/posted.

That wasn't the point. The point was to ask why he posted such an utterly useless, irrelevant, false, generalized, and biased phrase for no particular reason.

bharvey wrote:

Okay, some more on higher order procedures:
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/acronym.gif
So, to make an acronym from a phrase, first we turn the string of characters into a list of words.  Then we eliminate the unimportant words that shouldn't be part of the acronym.  Then we make a list of the first letters of the remaining words.  And finally we string the items of that list together into a single word.
Now, this wouldn't be too amazing if MAP and KEEP and COMBINE were built-in blocks of BYOB.  But they're not; they're custom blocks that I wrote.  So, when writing the MAP block, for example, I want to call the LETTER 1 OF block repeatedly, once for each word in the list.  How do I do that?  I use CALL, which is the reporter equivalent of RUN.  And that first input to MAP isn't the first letter of some particular word.  It's not a letter at all; it's a reporter, the LETTER 1 OF block itself, taken as a datum.  MAP can be used with /any/ reporter, including one you write yourself.

I have a brief and probably already-solved question....
When saving an empty numeric reporter in Scratch, the space is filled in with a zero. I realize that this would be a problem in BYOB 3 because then the spaces you wanted filled in when calling or running a block with arguments would be filled in and the block might not function in the same way. Are empty spaces filled in in BYOB 3? Also, can you make an empty space in a numeric argument (or come to think of it, some of the dropdown list arguments, too)?

nXIII wrote:

When saving an empty numeric reporter in Scratch, the space is filled in with a zero. I realize that this would be a problem in BYOB 3 because then the spaces you wanted filled in when calling or running a block with arguments would be filled in and the block might not function in the same way. Are empty spaces filled in in BYOB 3? Also, can you make an empty space in a numeric argument (or come to think of it, some of the dropdown list arguments, too)?

Oha, very sharp reasoning, nXIII! You're absolutely right, allowing input slots (numerical ones, too) to stay empty has been one of the subtle changes we applied to Scratch to make Scratch Blocks work with implicit parameters. I'm impressed how that neccessity struck you without even having layed your hands on our software yet!

Jens wrote:

nXIII wrote:

When saving an empty numeric reporter in Scratch, the space is filled in with a zero. I realize that this would be a problem in BYOB 3 because then the spaces you wanted filled in when calling or running a block with arguments would be filled in and the block might not function in the same way. Are empty spaces filled in in BYOB 3? Also, can you make an empty space in a numeric argument (or come to think of it, some of the dropdown list arguments, too)?

Oha, very sharp reasoning, nXIII! You're absolutely right, allowing input slots (numerical ones, too) to stay empty has been one of the subtle changes we applied to Scratch to make Scratch Blocks work with implicit parameters. I'm impressed how that neccessity struck you without even having layed your hands on our software yet!

Wow, thanks! I can't wait the release of 2.99, so it just occurred to me after watching the trailer a few times.

Last edited by nXIII (2010-04-22 20:26:04)

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

As bharvey was saying...

By the way, one of the privileges of adulthood is that I get to have an actual name, even on the Internet.    I'm Brian.

Anyway, to get back to the real discussion, Shadow, I hope you didn't miss my acronym example amidst all that heat.  That was another attempt to respond to your question about first class procedures.  Did it help?  Does it raise other questions?  Should I try again?

I didn't miss it completely, but I didn't take a good look until now. It's starting to make more sense, though I think it would make a lot more if I could see how those blocks you created are constructed. Thanks though!

bharvey wrote:

Okay, gang, IT'S HERE!  http://byob.berkeley.edu

IT IS GREAT!!!

It is all I have ever wanted from Scratch! Congratualtions on a fantastic piece of work.

Hooray! As soon as I saw that link, I clicked it... That's how much I wanted BYOB 2.99!

bharvey wrote:

Okay, gang, IT'S HERE!  http://byob.berkeley.edu

*waits for download to end*

BTW, what's with Gobo on that page.

bharvey wrote:

Okay, gang, IT'S HERE!  http://byob.berkeley.edu

YAYYYY!

Now I'll set a timer to see how long it will take before I get confused 

JSO wrote:

If I fight enough, it'll be Javascript and HTML

Oh, man, if you're going to fight for a different platform, fight for Scheme! That would make BYOB development so much easier.