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#1 2010-03-04 23:05:43

PlayWithFire
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Registered: 2010-01-20
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Pros and Cons of post counts

I just thought we should take into consideration the option of getting rid of post counts, so I came up with some pros and cons, feel fre to come up with your own.  Hopefully this will help the scratch team start to recognize getting rid of the post counts or if they already recognize it, see what would be best.

Pros:
-stops scratchers from posting simply to get a higher post count

-some would argue that we could do without the people who would leave based on the first con

-forums would have less spam, be less cluttered and be used the way they were meant to be.

-less competition between scratchers, therefore less fights, less resentment towards others and more getting along (to a certain degree)

-Users with low post counts will not be seen as new, and then ignored. (by chrischb)


Cons:
-this may cause people to lose interest in the scratch forums.  Giving someone something to work for causes them to be more interested in something.  It works the same way psychologically that achievements on the xbox 360 work.  It brings realism into play.  Compare your scores with other people.  play to be the best.  some scratchers may lose the incentive to post at all.  (if you want to know mroe about this psychology aspect you can view this video http://g4tv.com/videos/44277/DICE-2010-Design-Outside-the-Box-Presentation/ it's really interesting and on a sidenote it might help you make games that draw people in more.)

-It might end up increasing spam.  You never know how many people would be upset with this, they could spam as their own sort of revenge.  They would be banned but you never know how many people would do it.  something to think about.

-could cause scratch forums to be compared to others and seen as worse.


Edit: something else to think about too.  Should registration dates be visible  neutral

Last edited by PlayWithFire (2010-03-04 23:16:20)


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#2 2010-03-04 23:08:42

ScratchGamer417
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

There should be post counts, because it gives Scratchers a rank, and it can drive the forums.

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#3 2010-03-04 23:10:36

Chrischb
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Interesting list...

A pro: Users with low post counts will not be seen as new, and then ignored.

Sometimes post counts are used to judge the age of a certain user.  hmm


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#4 2010-03-04 23:10:39

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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Sure get rid of them. The people who just want to get post count up don't contribute anything of value. They pretty much just spam.


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#5 2010-03-04 23:11:59

ScratchGamer417
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

archmage wrote:

Sure get rid of them. The people who just want to get post count up don't contribute anything of value. They pretty much just spam.

Yeah, you should be talking. You have over 4000 posts!

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#6 2010-03-04 23:14:40

Chrischb
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Posts: 1000+

Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

ScratchGamer417 wrote:

archmage wrote:

Sure get rid of them. The people who just want to get post count up don't contribute anything of value. They pretty much just spam.

Yeah, you should be talking. You have over 4000 posts!

Ahem - check his registration date. He's old. And you don't see him bragging about it...


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#7 2010-03-04 23:15:08

PlayWithFire
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

@ chrischb I added your pro to the pros list
@ scratchgamer417 yah fair point, i mentioned that as the first con, worded a little differently.  also archmage contributes with his posts, he's just been here a long time.


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#8 2010-03-04 23:15:32

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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Good idea


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#9 2010-03-04 23:21:31

ScratchGamer417
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

PlayWithFire wrote:

@ chrischb I added your pro to the pros list
@ scratchgamer417 yah fair point, i mentioned that as the first con, worded a little differently.  also archmage contributes with his posts, he's just been here a long time.

Well, yeah...

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#10 2010-03-04 23:21:49

archmage
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

ScratchGamer417 wrote:

archmage wrote:

Sure get rid of them. The people who just want to get post count up don't contribute anything of value. They pretty much just spam.

Yeah, you should be talking. You have over 4000 posts!

Yeah, but I don't post with the purpose of increasing my post count.


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#11 2010-03-04 23:22:53

ScratchGamer417
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

archmage wrote:

ScratchGamer417 wrote:

archmage wrote:

Sure get rid of them. The people who just want to get post count up don't contribute anything of value. They pretty much just spam.

Yeah, you should be talking. You have over 4000 posts!

Yeah, but I don't post with the purpose of increasing my post count.

That's a good point...

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#12 2010-03-04 23:39:36

PlayWithFire
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

you know what else would be good, not being able to use the creator of the post's account to bump his own topic.  lot's of wasted posts just for that.


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#13 2010-03-04 23:40:21

fanofcena
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

hurra i crossed par 1000 post mark with this post  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile


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#14 2010-03-04 23:48:05

PlayWithFire
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

fanofcena wrote:

hurra i crossed par 1000 post mark with this post  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile

this just proves that this topic is valid.


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#15 2010-03-05 00:54:54

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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

[outraged]Remove it! We don't need contests about post counts, nor people joining to get the highest post count - just remove it!  mad [/outraged]


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#16 2010-03-05 01:15:52

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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Jonathanpb wrote:

[outraged]Remove it! We don't need contests about post counts, nor people joining to get the highest post count - just remove it!  mad [/outraged]

Yeah. I don't want to type.


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#17 2010-03-05 01:31:24

PlayWithFire
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

ill send a link to this forum to the scratch team.


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#18 2010-03-05 01:43:07

hmnwilson
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

I like being able to see how many posts I've made, though I don't get competitive about it. It would feel pretty unnatural, kind of like taking away smileys.

Besides, removing it won't decrease the amount of spam. At least not by much. Most of it's not by people who care about their post counts. I don't consider posting a lot "spamming" either, to me that's when people advertize or post something that has no relation to the topic whatsoever.

Just something to think about...

Last edited by hmnwilson (2010-03-05 01:49:00)


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#19 2010-03-05 01:48:00

fg123
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

hmnwilson, I love your gifs. ;D

How do you make them change??

Last edited by fg123 (2010-03-05 01:48:55)


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#20 2010-03-05 01:52:07

hmnwilson
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

fg123 wrote:

hmnwilson, I love your gifs. ;D

How do you make them change??

It's called a rotating signature. If you look it up, you'll find a lot of sites that offer it.  smile


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#21 2010-03-05 03:06:06

Chrischb
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Registered: 2008-07-24
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

hmnwilson wrote:

I like being able to see how many posts I've made, though I don't get competitive about it. It would feel pretty unnatural, kind of like taking away smileys.

Actually, you can turn smileys into text in your profile...

I agree with you, though. ^^

hmnwilson wrote:

Besides, removing it won't decrease the amount of spam. At least not by much. Most of it's not by people who care about their post counts. I don't consider posting a lot "spamming" either, to me that's when people advertize or post something that has no relation to the topic whatsoever.

Just something to think about...

I don't consider that as spam either (the type that really bugs me is commercial spam)... but what bothers me is when "yeah lol" posts appear. Fortunately, they seem to be reduced...  smile


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#22 2010-03-05 06:51:15

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Registered: 2009-09-12
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

I kind of like post counts. I don't think they should be removed. And the main place you see posts that are useless is in the miscellaneous forum which is why it is here.


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#23 2010-03-05 12:47:27

Paddle2See
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Registered: 2007-10-27
Posts: 1000+

Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Dazachi wrote:

I kind of like post counts. I don't think they should be removed. And the main place you see posts that are useless is in the miscellaneous forum which is why it is here.

At last we know the true purpose of the Miscellaneous Forum!  I have often wondered  smile


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#24 2010-03-05 14:57:25

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Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Paddle2See wrote:

Dazachi wrote:

I kind of like post counts. I don't think they should be removed. And the main place you see posts that are useless is in the miscellaneous forum which is why it is here.

At last we know the true purpose of the Miscellaneous Forum!  I have often wondered  smile

Haven't we all?  smile

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#25 2010-03-05 15:24:38

webgal15
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Registered: 2009-06-17
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Re: Pros and Cons of post counts

Meh, remove them if you want. I couldn't care less.


Now only using this account to post in Miscellaneous, but when Miss_Webgal becomes a Scratcher I'm ditching this account.

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