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#26 2010-02-19 00:44:32

Chrischb
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

When I joined, Scratch was a better place... in my opinion.

I don't remember remix chains, but there would have been a few here and there.
I remember the Top Loved, with impressive programming and such.
And Top Viewed, with projects to boost up to Loved.

Now, it's rather irritating... but at least Top Loved has been improving some. The forums seem fine at that, but are becoming more rowdy; every time someone makes a thread that may seem ridiculous, everyone has to rush into it, get banned, flame each other, false quote, and bully each other.
And Miscellaneous is way too active.

My favorite part of the Scratch Website seems to be becoming the Text-Based Games. It's a fun place, smaller, and well kept. The users are friendly, there haven't been any flame wars, and everyone cooperates.

And I still love the Scratch program.
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I'm in a bad mood today.  sad


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#27 2010-02-19 01:10:56

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.


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#28 2010-02-19 01:11:44

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

Sadly, I think we're at the point of no return.


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#29 2010-02-19 01:48:43

Jonathanpb
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

When I joined Scratch nearly two years ago, Scratch was so different... it felt like a programming site.

Now, it feels like a social networking site.


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#30 2010-02-19 03:10:53

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Kileymeister wrote:

True, back in '07 everything was awesome with Scratch.  Everyone knew everyone, the front page was constantly giving different Scratchers a chance at fame, and best of all, no chain remixes.

Oh, the good ol' days  hmm

Bah.

I hated Scratch in 2007.

Mainly because I was a complete idiot who spammed, insulted people and made terrible scratch projects. (Que some one quoting me and saying "you still don't do that?")


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#31 2010-02-19 03:12:30

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

You guys are making it sound like scratch is a 3rd world country, that's being bombed and a major war is going on.

IT'S A WEB SITE.

And I don't think it's nearly as bad as everyone is saying it is.


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#32 2010-02-19 04:06:02

Vista4563
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Registered: 2009-07-20
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Chrischb wrote:

When I joined, Scratch was a better place... in my opinion.

I don't remember remix chains, but there would have been a few here and there.
I remember the Top Loved, with impressive programming and such.
And Top Viewed, with projects to boost up to Loved.

Now, it's rather irritating... but at least Top Loved has been improving some. The forums seem fine at that, but are becoming more rowdy; every time someone makes a thread that may seem ridiculous, everyone has to rush into it, get banned, flame each other, false quote, and bully each other.
And Miscellaneous is way too active.

My favorite part of the Scratch Website seems to be becoming the Text-Based Games. It's a fun place, smaller, and well kept. The users are friendly, there haven't been any flame wars, and everyone cooperates.

And I still love the Scratch program.
....................................
I'm in a bad mood today.  sad

Yeah, the TBG section is recovering.

We don't want it to recover faster, though...

On a good note, maybe this year will turn the tables once Scratch 2 is out.


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#33 2010-02-19 04:29:50

Chrischb
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

Yeah... I think it's a bit obvious there's something going on.  hmm


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#34 2010-02-19 05:12:47

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

demosthenes wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

demosthenes wrote:


I don't think so. The more people that join the more, let's say "non-07ers" we get. And proportionally we are getting a lot more "non-07ers" than "07ers".

What's wrong with not being an '07er?  I really don't see a difference between users, except that Scratch itself was different in '07...

By "07er" I meant more a type of person. In general the 07 crowd was oriented to making how quality programs and applications, as well as helpful and kind. The new kind of users we get are often spammy trolls etc.

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Please don't say I am a spammer/troll.

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#35 2010-02-19 05:14:34

rdococ
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Chrischb wrote:

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

Yeah... I think it's a bit obvious there's something going on.  hmm

Yeah... I think so too.

OT: You're a moderator on the TBG forums!!

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#36 2010-02-19 05:25:02

Chrischb
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Registered: 2008-07-24
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

rdococ wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

Yeah... I think it's a bit obvious there's something going on.  hmm

Yeah... I think so too.

OT: You're a moderator on the TBG forums!!

Yep.  big_smile
So is Vista.


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#37 2010-02-19 05:26:18

Chrischb
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Posts: 1000+

Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Vista4563 wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

When I joined, Scratch was a better place... in my opinion.

I don't remember remix chains, but there would have been a few here and there.
I remember the Top Loved, with impressive programming and such.
And Top Viewed, with projects to boost up to Loved.

Now, it's rather irritating... but at least Top Loved has been improving some. The forums seem fine at that, but are becoming more rowdy; every time someone makes a thread that may seem ridiculous, everyone has to rush into it, get banned, flame each other, false quote, and bully each other.
And Miscellaneous is way too active.

My favorite part of the Scratch Website seems to be becoming the Text-Based Games. It's a fun place, smaller, and well kept. The users are friendly, there haven't been any flame wars, and everyone cooperates.

And I still love the Scratch program.
....................................
I'm in a bad mood today.  sad

Yeah, the TBG section is recovering.

We don't want it to recover faster, though...

On a good note, maybe this year will turn the tables once Scratch 2 is out.

I hope they do.  neutral
I wonder what effect Scratch 2.0 will have...


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#38 2010-02-19 05:26:21

Jonathanpb
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Posts: 1000+

Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

The Scratch Team doesn't seem to have noticed anything... all they seem to know about is that Inspiration and More and the Text-Based Games weren't that great. They don't seem to dislike the two forums that much - they created a new forum for the Text-Based Games and made the Miscellaneous forum.

hmm


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#39 2010-02-19 05:30:05

Jonathanpb
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

08jackt wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

True, back in '07 everything was awesome with Scratch.  Everyone knew everyone, the front page was constantly giving different Scratchers a chance at fame, and best of all, no chain remixes.

Oh, the good ol' days  hmm

Bah.

Even though we're '08ers, we're not stupid. Things didn't really happen until later '08. Before then, it was a great place.


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#40 2010-02-19 06:13:00

Stickman704
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Registered: 2009-01-31
Posts: 1000+

Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

I forgotten when I regesterd. 09 I think.

There are still some good projects out there. Just not on the front page and most of them don't use the fourms.

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#41 2010-02-19 08:01:34

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

The only good thing about 2010 is me  big_smile


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#42 2010-02-19 08:02:02

Paddle2See
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Registered: 2007-10-27
Posts: 1000+

Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Jonathanpb wrote:

PlayWithFire wrote:

you know what's funny, i see all of these people complaining about it and nobody trying to fix it.

The Scratch Team doesn't seem to have noticed anything... all they seem to know about is that Inspiration and More and the Text-Based Games weren't that great. They don't seem to dislike the two forums that much - they created a new forum for the Text-Based Games and made the Miscellaneous forum.

hmm

I'd be interested in hearing some specifics about what you see as problems - and what you have for proposed solutions  smile


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#43 2010-02-19 08:12:02

webgal15
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Kileymeister wrote:

and best of all, no chain remixes.

There's nothing wrong with chain remixes.

Kileymeister wrote:

Well, I bet after a while some of those "trolls" will start thinking "Maybe there is more to Scratch than drawing a pic and uploading and going "LOOK I DREW A PWETTY PIKTURE!!1!1"

There's nothing wrong with art projects, even if they're only one picture.


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#44 2010-02-19 09:15:19

Lucario621
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Registered: 2007-10-03
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

As more bad it has become, there is also more good; more smarter members, more projects to see, more ideas, etc. But you have to be mature enough and smart enough to filter all of the bad stuff out, just like how your ears filter out all of the other noises at lunch, so you can listen and talk to your friends.


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#45 2010-02-19 09:24:48

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

webgal15 wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

and best of all, no chain remixes.

There's nothing wrong with chain remixes.

Kileymeister wrote:

Well, I bet after a while some of those "trolls" will start thinking "Maybe there is more to Scratch than drawing a pic and uploading and going "LOOK I DREW A PWETTY PIKTURE!!1!1"

There's nothing wrong with art projects, even if they're only one picture.

Chain remixes: Annoying. Add yourself doing this-a-ma-jig. Add yourself doing that. BORING

Art projects: I have no problem with, unless they clutter up the front page. Because Scratch is for programming, not art. If you want to post art, then go to Deviantart and make an account. And since Scratch is for programming, non-programming stuff should NOT get on the front page.

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#46 2010-02-19 09:44:03

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Registered: 2010-01-07
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Float is coming back in 3 days
Just like Jesus


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#47 2010-02-19 09:52:20

jacool
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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Thing don't change just because you're complaining.
Have you never heard 'Man in the mirror' by Michael Jackson?
Then you've missed something, here's a link:
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#48 2010-02-19 10:00:39

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

One thing I want to clear up, though.
When you first join anything it seems nice enough. It will either 'stay' nice or 'change'. A lot of people don't like change because they can't change fast enough to roll with it.
Everyone liked it when they joined, saying how it was much better, but then the site 'changed' and people disliked it. You can't always change it back either. That's why you can't get your childhood back no matter how many times you say it was the best time of your life.


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#49 2010-02-19 10:48:21

Paddle2See
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Registered: 2007-10-27
Posts: 1000+

Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

BWOG wrote:

Art projects: I have no problem with, unless they clutter up the front page. Because Scratch is for programming, not art. If you want to post art, then go to Deviantart and make an account. And since Scratch is for programming, non-programming stuff should NOT get on the front page.

After reading the Terms of Service at DeviantArt, they are pretty clear that you need to be over 18

Deviant Art's Terms of Service wrote:

... In no event may minors submit Content to the Service...

Can you recommend another site where kids can post art?


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#50 2010-02-19 10:53:51

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Re: Everything has changed; but not neccesarily for the better.

Kileymeister wrote:

True, back in '07 everything was awesome with Scratch.  Everyone knew everyone, the front page was constantly giving different Scratchers a chance at fame, and best of all, no chain remixes.

Oh, the good ol' days  hmm

I actually think the remix chain idea was started by the scratch team, look at the old design studios.


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