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cocoanut · 2009-12-17 18:56:14

There has been much controversy over whether art is for Scratch. Here is a simple quote from Andres that could help clear all confusion.

He has clarified that Scratch is about programming AND art.

andresmh wrote:
One quick comment: Scratch is about programming AND art.

If you're in defense of both art and programming, not just one or the other, feel free to celebrate about how right you are.

In fact, it's not even programming versus art:

andresmh wrote:
It is not about programming vs art, it is about how to bring artists and programmers together.

If you are skeptical.... http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=27342 Scroll down a bit to find Andres' post.

Last edited by cocoanut (2009-12-21 17:10:08)

floatingmagictree · 2009-12-17 18:58:59

One word: WHATTHEHECK

cocoanut · 2009-12-17 18:59:32

floatingmagictree wrote:
One word: WHATTHEHECK

A message to all you art-unfriendly people.

illusionist · 2009-12-17 19:07:12

The conflict inside of me is boiling up again... yikes

illusionist's thoughts wrote:
Did he edit that quote?
But scratch was made for interactive art...
That must be what Andres meant...
0 sprite 0 script projects...art? no... no... no...
Interactive means scripts.... there is no ineraction with out programming...
um...
uh... programming? Scratch is definitely for that...
Hmm...
umm...
er...
eh....

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cocoanut · 2009-12-17 19:08:06

I did not edit the post at all. I'll dig up the thread if you want.

floatingmagictree · 2009-12-17 19:09:27

cocoanut wrote:
I did not edit the post at all. I'll dig up the thread if you want.

I'm here to vouch for that, I saw the thread and that exact same post that Andrés made.

cocoanut · 2009-12-17 19:09:29

@illusionist: Oh, looks like you already found it. wink

And, see, you can trust FMT, since he was for programming and against art.

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fg123 · 2009-12-17 19:24:52

Same here. Though I think my "Star Art" is interactive. hmm

Diagram · 2009-12-17 19:49:11

Even if not animation but art is a bit annoying, I guess Andres is correct. hmm

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ScratchX · 2009-12-17 21:26:15

Well one thing i have to say bout programming and art....YOU ALL ARE TAKING THIS TOO SERIOUSLY tongue I mean this is JUST a website...its not like a rule or law...One thing i think is that for people who think this website is only for programming are jealous that they can't draw as good as people who got well known on this website because of art. And vice versa.

So..yeah...thats all i have to say big_smile

illusionist · 2009-12-17 22:34:51

Andres was probably referring to Interactive art.

Notice that in the sample projects when you download, there is not an art folder, but an interactive art folder. smile

cocoanut · 2009-12-17 22:38:48

ScratchX wrote:
Well one thing i have to say bout programming and art....YOU ALL ARE TAKING THIS TOO SERIOUSLY I mean this is JUST a website...its not like a rule or law...One thing i think is that for people who think this website is only for programming are jealous that they can't draw as good as people who got well known on this website because of art. And vice versa.

So..yeah...thats all i have to say

I wasn't taking it seriously at all. I never got into the situation until now.... just to prove everyone wrong. xD

@illusionist: I'm pretty sure Andres knew what the argument was about, and the argument was about plain art. You can ask for a clarification if you want, but until it's further clarified, I'm assuming he meant all art.

adriangl · 2009-12-17 22:52:21

I am fine with art. As long as it isn't the only thing on the front page wink

fg123 · 2009-12-17 23:03:52

adriangl wrote:
I am fine with art. As long as it isn't the only thing on the front page

Exactly.

andresmh · 2009-12-21 16:51:10

I would like to emphasize the AND part of my quote. It is not about programming vs art, it is about how to bring artists and programmers together.

cocoanut · 2009-12-21 17:05:02

andresmh wrote:
I would like to emphasize the AND part of my quote. It is not about programming vs art, it is about how to bring artists and programmers together.

Sure. smile

illusionist · 2009-12-21 17:14:20

CONFIRMED!

Andres was talking about interactive art. lol

andresmh wrote:
...think of interesting ways of combining art and programming...

Programming + Art = Interactive Art

cocoanut · 2009-12-21 17:19:00

NO, he said how to bring artISTS and programMERS together!

archmage · 2009-12-21 17:19:16

So you are saying that the only programs that can have artwork in them are pieces of interactive art? Then games, math experiments, and more must also be interactive art.

illusionist · 2009-12-21 17:24:19

archmage wrote:
So you are saying that the only programs that can have artwork in them are pieces of interactive art? Then games, math experiments, and more must also be interactive art.

OMG roll Arch has done it again.

Yes. Games can be considered art. Just as music is considered an ART in the real world. lol

And if Games are art, and Games are interactive (primarily), they are indeed. Interactive Art. lol lol lol

cocoanut · 2009-12-21 17:32:02

illusionist wrote:
archmage wrote:
So you are saying that the only programs that can have artwork in them are pieces of interactive art? Then games, math experiments, and more must also be interactive art.
OMG Arch has done it again.

Yes. Games can be considered art. Just as music is considered an ART in the real world.

And if Games are art, and Games are interactive (primarily), they are indeed. Interactive Art.

But Andres did not say art and programs, he said artISTS and programMERS.

Therefore, he wishes to bring forth a community of both artists and programmers.

illusionist · 2009-12-21 17:34:46

cocoanut wrote:
illusionist wrote:
archmage wrote:
So you are saying that the only programs that can have artwork in them are pieces of interactive art? Then games, math experiments, and more must also be interactive art.
OMG Arch has done it again.

Yes. Games can be considered art. Just as music is considered an ART in the real world.

And if Games are art, and Games are interactive (primarily), they are indeed. Interactive Art.
But Andres did not say art and programs, he said artISTS and programMERS.

Therefore, he wishes to bring forth a community of both artists and programmers.

Did you even read the quote I just added? roll

andresmh wrote:
...think of interesting ways of combining art and programming...

Programming + Art = Interactive Art

He said that in a later post on the same topic.

fg123 · 2009-12-21 17:42:48

Again, I agree with AJ.

EDIT:OOPS, I meant cocoanut.

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illusionist · 2009-12-21 17:47:47

fg123 wrote:
Again, I agree with AJ.

EDIT:OOPS, I meant cocoanut.

AJ?

O_O

cocoanut · 2009-12-21 17:57:22

illusionist wrote:
fg123 wrote:
Again, I agree with AJ.

EDIT:OOPS, I meant cocoanut.
AJ?

O_O

He's used to Wave. lol

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