Scratch

BLU_Spy wrote:

Ugh2460 wrote:

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

I completely agree with this post. You, sir, deserve a gold medal.

I know you aren't talking about new scratchers, because we all were new scratchers at one point right? I like complimenting those scratchers. But rather, you are talking about so-called artists. And for all of you who disagree with this guy, Scratch is a programming language, so why not use it to PROGRAM? A light-bulb should've went off over your head by now.

Scratch 1.4 has a paint editor only slightly better than MS Paint, so why do people insist on using for the purpose of posting art? There's deviantart, and there's a site called Weebly for making your own free websites and blogs so you can upload that stuff if you think deviantart has a bad community. (because really, it does)

And since you posted this topic, the Front Page has been DOMINATED by projects anyone with a 'how to draw cats' book can do in 10 minutes. Whatever happened to the great animations and Flash-esque games of old? Don't any of you reading this MISS that Golden Age where everyone was inspired to put effort into their projects? Apparently, no one does, because absolutely nothing improved since the day this topic was posted.

Scratch is not an art program, Scratch is a programming language. So please start treating it like one.

This is an opinion. Whether you believe it or not, it's up to you.

Paddle2See wrote:

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming.  The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome. (Source)

It's weird... I agree with both perspectives...

Agree with Ugh and lalala3.

Wish we could get someone from MIT to answer... 

All posts on here are pretty much opinions, and we are free to have our own.  However, there's DeviantArt for a reason.

Andres-Vander wrote:

G0D_M0D3 wrote:

Anyways, RHY got really good. All of his first projects were rubbish. He learned, and you have to give people a chance.

They were still much better than everything else, even today

Also you joined in 2011, he was here in 2009

Well I think that he was really good at game maker before he even tried scratch so I don't think he learned much from Scratch alone.

Scratch has always been filled with more amateur projects than others. The really good projects are usually made by people who already have years of programming experience in other tools. Scratch right now is how the creators wanted it to be like I think, lots of young programming noobs sharing their stuff and playing with a fun programming tool. 

If Scratch isn't quite challenging anymore the Flash, Android, IOS, and HTML5 communities are booming and always happy to help another noob out 

mintfang wrote:

Ugh2460 wrote:

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

I completely agree with this post. You, sir, deserve a gold medal.

I know you aren't talking about new scratchers, because we all were new scratchers at one point right? I like complimenting those scratchers. But rather, you are talking about so-called artists. And for all of you who disagree with this guy, Scratch is a programming language, so why not use it to PROGRAM? A light-bulb should've went off over your head by now.

Scratch 1.4 has a paint editor only slightly better than MS Paint, so why do people insist on using for the purpose of posting art? There's deviantart, and there's a site called Weebly for making your own free websites and blogs so you can upload that stuff if you think deviantart has a bad community. (because really, it does)

And since you posted this topic, the Front Page has been DOMINATED by projects anyone with a 'how to draw cats' book can do in 10 minutes. Whatever happened to the great animations and Flash-esque games of old? Don't any of you reading this MISS that Golden Age where everyone was inspired to put effort into their projects? Apparently, no one does, because absolutely nothing improved since the day this topic was posted.

Scratch is not an art program, Scratch is a programming language. So please start treating it like one.

This is an opinion. Whether you believe it or not, it's up to you.

Sorry if this comes off as mean:
Scratch is not so a bunch of people who program Sims and WolfQuest can make really good games! Scratch is REALLY for KIDS who are LEARNING to use the COMPUTER, for God's sakes! Scratch is meant for everyone. The goal of Scratch is top appeal to everyone. Not everyone can be so very epic. People are allowed to have different interests! I like art. Are you saying that about half of my projects are garbage? That hurts. BADLY. No one ever said that. We're saying that Scratch's front page is filled with projects that take about five seconds. And if you want to go somewhere where your art would be appreciated, I suggest Deviantart.

Basically, you're insulting a bunch of kids who like art.

Again, this is not meant to be mean.

...Shadowed1, I have to disagree with you. Like other people have said, scratch is a program for people who are new to programming! I Just started scratch a few days ago, I learned Java and HTML first and thought it would be refreshing to go to something a lot more basic for a while. I basically understood the way most of scratch works within a few hours of screwing around with it, however, many new scratchers are younger and really don't understand what programming is really about. You take a kid who hasn't even done square roots in math class yet, and tell him to program a game? Not gonna happen. But if you let him work with it, start figuring stuff out, and provide a *nice community* then he'll learn fast, and start to make the sort of high quality projects we all enjoy. Rome wasn't built in a day.

when gf clicked
wait [until the new person is familiar with Scratch]
think [now I can give back to the commuity with something awesome!]
end
if <[Better scratchers] = [hating]>
think [The community around here isn't all that great, maybe I should give up on scratch]

undefeatedgames wrote:

You do have a point. I personally think the drawings and contests should be placed on a separate Scratch site, maybe like drawings.scratch.mit.edu (someone could think of a site name better than drawings)

Here's an alternate thought:

The ST should make the separation between major tags (Art, Animation, etc.) more pronounced (for example, allow users to prevent projects with certain tags from showing up on their personal home page and, if the user wishes, in searches), and make people stop checking all the boxes for every single project they publish (guilty). Then the art projects can stay (although I don't understand why you would want to use Scratch, of all things, for art) and the programmers don't ever have to see them again.

It's funny...  I've agreed with almost every post on this topic... .

OT, I don't think it's a good idea to separate things by tags because the only tag you ever see on a project is, " awesome".

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

Hold on right there. You should consider about the following.

All scratchers are beginners! I did not know how to use variables until my third scratch class.I also did not know how to use boadcast and when I recieve blocks until my second scratch class.

Those 99% of those "impaitent" people may be beginners. Some of them are working on a awsome game, but it takes time. During that time, they share out not so good projects, but soon, share out a awsome project! 

Ugh2460 wrote:

DeviantArt, where art is MEANT to go.

I'm not saying your projects are garbage, I'm saying they would be better appreciated somewhere else besides Scratch.

dude you're basically saying her projects are garbage. what is garbage? it's stuff that we get rid of. what are you saying we should get rid of? her projects.

now please read the nice juicy refutation i put above instead of recycling the same arguments again

Last edited by Wes64 (2013-02-14 19:38:24)

Ugh2460 wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

Ugh2460 wrote:

DeviantArt, where art is MEANT to go.

I'm not saying your projects are garbage, I'm saying they would be better appreciated somewhere else besides Scratch.

dude you're basically saying her projects are garbage. what is garbage? it's stuff that we get rid of. what are you saying we should get rid of? her projects.

now please read the nice juicy refutation i put above instead of recycling the same arguments again

You're absolutely right, and I should humble myself a lot. I've read that refutation, and I agree with all of it, after dropping my jaw at how much of a numb-skulled jerk I've been lately. I guess I'm just longing for the old days of Scratch, to the point of being an absolute moron. Thank you for that post, it helped me see things A LOT clearer. I wish I could get rid of my posts somehow, because I take it all back. You're on the forums a lot, considering you have over 1000 posts, so could you please tell me a way? Should I just edit them saying I take it back?

EDIT: Never mind, you can delete posts. I just didn't see it. XD

hey its fine, its all good now that you've apologized. i just used your posts as an example to show my opinion, because a lot of other people think that too.

Mokat wrote:

mintfang wrote:

Sorry if this comes off as mean:
Scratch is not so a bunch of people who program Sims and WolfQuest can make really good games! Scratch is REALLY for KIDS who are LEARNING to use the COMPUTER, for God's sakes! Scratch is meant for everyone. The goal of Scratch is top appeal to everyone.I thought that was pretty clear. And you do realize you're undermining your own arguement? At least, I think. I was never very good with that. Not everyone can be so very epic. People are allowed to have different interests! I like art. Are you saying that about half of my projects are garbage? That hurts. BADLY. No one ever said that. We're saying that Scratch's front page is filled with projects that take about five seconds. And if you want to go somewhere where your art would be appreciated, I suggest Deviantart.You know what? Some people want a friendly community. Not a bunch of people who cuss at you. I seriously couldn't care LESS if it was appreciated. I just want to get it out there.

Basically, you're insulting a bunch of kids who like art.

Again, this is not meant to be mean.

And all I ever wanted was my opinions. I don't want Deviantart, I want Scratch. I want friendly people who don't cuss at me or hate me. I want staff I can depend on. I want to do more than just art, so why can't everyone just get along? But it'll never be like that. Throughout human history, there's been war war and more war. Humans are jerks and fighters, so why try to change that? This whole arguement makes me sad. We could just have a friendly disscussion but noooooooo humans have to be humans. A perfect exscuse, if you ask me.

Last edited by mintfang (2013-02-14 22:22:09)