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Jinck wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Jinck wrote:

You don't just go deleting the important part of that post to make me look bad. I simply meant that there is no respect for someone who kills innocents.

He deleted everything except the part he was talking about. Would you rather he didn't address what he was referring to directly? And there should never be an excuse to say something like that…

Uhhh... what?

Uhhh… He only posted the part he was referring to. Is that so bad? And you  any blame it on him, say The families of those killed should shoot his dead body. That's just sick, especially when you don't know the whole story. It's probably more the fault of lack for consistent help for people. Because, 99.9% of the time these people are mentally unhealthy, and it can't be blamed on them that much, but the lack of help for them.

jukyter wrote:

resistance wrote:

well when you go into a school and shoot your mother and then 26 other people, people are going to assume there is something wrong with you. it isn't normal and it does point massive speculation to mental wellness and whether you had a mental disorder/illness.

normal healthy people don't go into an elementary school and shoot kids. there are a number of other factors that could have led to him doing this, but all have some relevance to his mental health.

and since he is dead it isn't really possible to confirm he was mentally ill, so you have to make some educated guesses.

it's all for revenge
that's what all the school shootings have been about, whether you like it or not
the columbine shooters wanted to get revenge on the athletes at their school, the favoured athletes
you CANNOT go DEMONISING whole groups of REAL PEOPLE because you fancy yourself an armchair psychologist
i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL
you cannot say 'oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!'
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
they're REAL PEOPLE
they have lives
they can get on with their day to day business
they are not your SCAPEGOAT
normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE
also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL
us against them amirit guys amirit????
NO YOU'RE NOT
that is so so so SO ableist i can't tell you
you're INSULTING REAL PEOPLE
just ugh i can't tell you

from above I have found out that you make assumptions based on what you think people say, which is borne out of you thinking you know better than everybody else.


"oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!"
I didn't say that


"i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL"
hasn't been confirmed as mentally healthy either, makes place for speculation as it is impossible to confirm now that he's dead

"they're REAL PEOPLE"
never said they weren't

"they have lives"
never said they didn't

"they can get on with their day to day business"
never said they couldn't

"they are not your SCAPEGOAT"
never said they were

"normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE"
i disagree with you, if revenge is so important to you that you feel the need to kill 18 kids between the ages of 5-10 then in my honest opinion you need to see someone

"also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL"
in every day terms they aren't normal, though there is nothing wrong with that

and to be honest I find it insulting that you are preaching these things to me as if I don't know what mental illnesses and disorders are, when I suffer from agoraphobia. i am not an ableist and I find it disgusting that you would even call me one.


and as a side note, no, I do not fancy myself an armchair psychologist.

jukyter wrote:

resistance wrote:

well when you go into a school and shoot your mother and then 26 other people, people are going to assume there is something wrong with you. it isn't normal and it does point massive speculation to mental wellness and whether you had a mental disorder/illness.

normal healthy people don't go into an elementary school and shoot kids. there are a number of other factors that could have led to him doing this, but all have some relevance to his mental health.

and since he is dead it isn't really possible to confirm he was mentally ill, so you have to make some educated guesses.

it's all for revenge
that's what all the school shootings have been about, whether you like it or not
the columbine shooters wanted to get revenge on the athletes at their school, the favoured athletes
you CANNOT go DEMONISING whole groups of REAL PEOPLE because you fancy yourself an armchair psychologist
i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL
you cannot say 'oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!'
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
they're REAL PEOPLE
they have lives
they can get on with their day to day business
they are not your SCAPEGOAT
normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE
also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL
us against them amirit guys amirit????
NO YOU'RE NOT
that is so so so SO ableist i can't tell you
you're INSULTING REAL PEOPLE
just ugh i can't tell you

just because he said one man had mental problems doesnt mean hes insulting every mentally ill individual on the planet
revenge may have been a part of it, but normal people dont take so many innocent lives for the sake of killing one person

Last edited by 777w (2012-12-15 10:10:05)

laser314 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

FunDude wrote:

The suspected Shooter was reported to be acting oddly by family members. He was probably mentally ill. I personnally belive guns aren't the cause of violence. It's the person holding the gun who does.

So you're willing to have 20 little children killed so you can continue hunting? I believe guns should be delt with, I personally agree that I'd be nice to have the luxury of being able to own weapons for hunting and such but not at the cost of many little children's lives.

If guns were outlawed, he would of been able to kill the children anyway. He broke multiple laws already, one more wouldn't stop him.

The gun was purchased legally by his mother.

Jinck wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Jinck wrote:

Uhhh... what?

Uhhh… He only posted the part he was referring to. Is that so bad? And you  any blame it on him, say The families of those killed should shoot his dead body. That's just sick, especially when you don't know the whole story. It's probably more the fault of lack for consistent help for people. Because, 99.9% of the time these people are mentally unhealthy, and it can't be blamed on them that much, but the lack of help for them.

There is no respect for Stalin or Hitler. As far as I'm concerned, they were mentally ill. Why do you give the guy some much slack. What if he killed your little sibling. I'm pretty sure that you would want to do what I just suggested.

Nope. I'm not the kind of person who would want to shoot someone's dead body, no matter what the circumstances.

Jinck wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Jinck wrote:

Uhhh... what?

Uhhh… He only posted the part he was referring to. Is that so bad? And you  any blame it on him, say The families of those killed should shoot his dead body. That's just sick, especially when you don't know the whole story. It's probably more the fault of lack for consistent help for people. Because, 99.9% of the time these people are mentally unhealthy, and it can't be blamed on them that much, but the lack of help for them.

There is no respect for Stalin or Hitler. As far as I'm concerned, they were mentally ill. Why do you give the guy some much slack. What if he killed your little sibling. I'm pretty sure that you would want to do what I just suggested.

Also the people don't have to actually shoot his dead body. I told it to the kids that were in lockdown with me, and they laughed. I hoped it would help some of the people on scratch too. You guys just took it way too literally.

i think joking about events like this isnt an okay thing to do
and for the record, id like to say that i personally respect hitler not as a man who contributed positively to history but as a man who did what he thought was right. he killed millions of people but he did it thinking that it would benefit his country. he wasnt evil, just seriously misled

777w wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Let's not turn this topic into a debate on gun control, please.  I know it's very tempting but let's save that for another day when emotions are not so high.  Gun control is a very heated topic by itself and I think it would take away from people trying to discuss the actual event.

Sorry :/

And Cozyhut, human beings don't randomly kill people.

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jackrulez wrote:

777w wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Let's not turn this topic into a debate on gun control, please.  I know it's very tempting but let's save that for another day when emotions are not so high.  Gun control is a very heated topic by itself and I think it would take away from people trying to discuss the actual event.

Sorry 

And Cozyhut, human beings don't randomly kill people.

Human beings do
Sane ones do not, though

jukyter wrote:

resistance wrote:

well when you go into a school and shoot your mother and then 26 other people, people are going to assume there is something wrong with you. it isn't normal and it does point massive speculation to mental wellness and whether you had a mental disorder/illness.

normal healthy people don't go into an elementary school and shoot kids. there are a number of other factors that could have led to him doing this, but all have some relevance to his mental health.

and since he is dead it isn't really possible to confirm he was mentally ill, so you have to make some educated guesses.

it's all for revenge
that's what all the school shootings have been about, whether you like it or not
the columbine shooters wanted to get revenge on the athletes at their school, the favoured athletes
you CANNOT go DEMONISING whole groups of REAL PEOPLE because you fancy yourself an armchair psychologist
i repeat, HE HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS MENTALLY ILL
you cannot say 'oh he's a nutjob-those mentally ill people, ready to go at any time aren't they!'
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
they're REAL PEOPLE
they have lives
they can get on with their day to day business
they are not your SCAPEGOAT
normal healthy people do GO INTO schools and SHOOT PEOPLE
also you feel the need to clarify that mentally ill people AREN'T NORMAL
us against them amirit guys amirit????
NO YOU'RE NOT
that is so so so SO ableist i can't tell you
you're INSULTING REAL PEOPLE
just ugh i can't tell you

Okay, man, take a chill pill.

Now, I don't feel that the shooter was mentally ill either.

He was probably just a normal dude.

Maybe he had some motive. We don't know that yet.

Did it have to do with mental illness?

I'm pretty sure it didn't.

He didn't just go, "A HURR DURR IM A WACKY DUDE OH HERES TWO HANDGUNS WOOOOO DIE MOM BANG BANG WOOOOO DIE SCHOOL BANG BANG YAY THEYRE DEAD AND SO AM I BANG"

Police may be investigating into his past records soon, then we'll know the answer.

So yes, some of you are being ableist. There are a lot of ableists at my school, like there's this one girl in an electronic wheelchair and most of the time kids just stare at her funny.

But anyways, until we do know the answer, stop flaming, okay?

NeilWest wrote:

(I shouldn't really be listening to Skrillex's Kill Everybody at this time should I?  )

You shouldn't be listening to Skrillex at all.    Get better music tastes, yo.
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Last edited by banana500 (2012-12-15 11:35:15)

But skrillex is awesome :,<

Ontopic: I heard from my parents about this guy. That's horrible.        

Last edited by nama (2012-12-15 11:47:01)

He didn't just go, "A HURR DURR IM A WACKY DUDE OH HERES TWO HANDGUNS WOOOOO DIE MOM BANG BANG WOOOOO DIE SCHOOL BANG BANG YAY THEYRE DEAD AND SO AM I BANG"

That is so stereotypical it isn't even funny. If you are insane, you think it makes sense that you should kill them, that it would make your life better, that they deserve it.

That's really sad.

As a scary twist and premonition for me, what I think was the day before what happened in Connecticut, someone said on Facebook that he was going to attempt a shooting at a school near where I live (although no shooting actually happened).

scmb1 wrote:

Yes, I've been reading about that a lot today too. It's horrid. I can't imagine how sick a person has to be to kill 20 children.

Not to mention his brother, his mother, and himself.