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veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 13:15:07

stevetheipad wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
stevetheipad wrote:

Awesome site, very cool!

My results were very similar to yours, veggie.
yeah, i thought it seemed like one of those online polls that actually meant something

and lol wow

we should all grow up right now and vote for jill stein! xD
I bet that if someone polled a ton of adults, like less than 20% would know that Jill Stein is even running.

i'd definitely believe that
i think it's kind of sad that the first people will hear of some candidates is on the ballot
i found this article, which is also mentioned on the site the OP linked to, pretty interesting
i wish we weren't such a two-party nation

BLU_Spy · 2012-09-30 13:15:14

Well, I don't really care about politics...

tongue

jukyter · 2012-09-30 13:15:50

The majority of the world runs on the two party system
At least we aren't one man one vote

jukyter · 2012-09-30 13:17:40

BLU_Spy wrote:
Well, I don't really care about politics...

Wow that's kinda sad and disappointing
I really hope your viewpoint changes when you grow up
Because not caring about how the world is going is basically not caring about yourself hmm

veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 13:32:42

there's also a really cool test i found called the political compass test which i can't link to due to a few of the questions not really being scratch-appropriate
but if anyone else does look it up and take it and want to see how they compare with me (because i'm cool B))

(in comparison the candidates are like this:)

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jvvg · 2012-09-30 13:38:34

I really hope Obama wins. (I am a very strong Democrat)
I do think that businesses should be required to provide healthcare and medicare shouldn't be turned into a voucher system. With the current medicare system, people are guaranteed to be able to pay for their insurance. With a voucher system, then people can only get insurance if they are given enough money to pay for whatever is offered in their area.
I don't think that the middle class should have to pay more taxes. I agree with Obama's plan to raise taxes on the rich, rather than Romney's plan to cut taxes on the rich while raising taxes on the middle class. I think those who are lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills should have to pay more taxes than those who make about enough money to survive in today's society.

I also live in one of the major swing states. Political discussion here is really heated for that reason.
The funny part is that where I go to school, it is mostly Republicans, but most of the Democrats are a lot smarter, and it is funny when 2 Democrats are able to out-debate 10 Republicans. tongue

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OverPowered · 2012-09-30 13:41:16

Paddle2See wrote:
[T]he "No Political topics" was a rule from the old Misc forum. That rule was intentionally left off the guidelines of this newer forum with the hope that maybe we could have a civil political discussion. If people want to try it and see how it goes, we can leave it open.

I like that the first post makes a point of quoting sources - I'd like to re-emphasize that. This forum is for discussion of things you have read/watched - not a platform for your long-held and deeply cherished (but possibly groundless) opinions. If you're going to post here, do your homework

Thank you for clearing this up, I really do hope people will civilly debate the issues... smile

@PonyvilleSlugger, I understand why you're frustrated. Issues over homosexual-rights and other issues don't really play into some of the United State's larger problems, like the continueing fall of the middle class. I just find it disappointing when a socially conservative politician talks about the rights of the individual (rights to guns & smokes) and then talk about the need to "protect traditional values" by banning same-gender marriage and every drug out there, even potentially beneficial ones.

So... Yeah. tongue
Go Obama!
Taxing the now-profitable corporations to pay for the infrastructure and pushing for healthcare reforms needed for a continueing middle class sounds good to me! smile

ToxicQuillz · 2012-09-30 13:47:04

I don't much about American politic.

Heck, I don't know much about politic about my country.

All I know that I don't like Romney.

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veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 13:48:06

ToxicQuillz wrote:
I don't much about American politic.

Heck, I don't know much about politic about my country.

All I know that Romney is terrible.

can you like explain why you think that
if you read paddles post, you'll see that you can't just make baseless claims like that, you actually have to say things to back it up and reasons why you think what you think

cartooncreator · 2012-09-30 13:49:30

I personally prefer Romney, Obama's policies haven't really worked out. People might say that Obama became president at a bad time, and he's trying to fix the economy, but he's had almost four years and the economy hasn't improved.

Obama is all for free hand outs and is giving the working class' money to poor people. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with perfectly healthy people not working and recieving our tax money.

Not to mention when our Ambassador and two Navy SEALs got killed in Libya, he blamed it on a Youtube video that was released in like, July, when it was pretty obvious they attacked because it was 9/11. The Democrats said it was a spontaneous attack, when the attackers had anti-aircraft guns. People don't go walking around with that kind of stuff in their pockets. There was virtually no protection on that day, even though the smart thing would have been putting alot of protection because it was 9/11.

ToxicQuillz · 2012-09-30 13:52:04

veggieman001 wrote:
ToxicQuillz wrote:
I don't much about American politic.

Heck, I don't know much about politic about my country.

All I know that Romney is terrible.
can you like explain why you think that
if you read paddles post, you'll see that you can't just make baseless claims like that, you actually have to say things to back it up and reasons why you think what you think

I'm sorry. I read about him a little... I meant to say that I didn't like Romney.

veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 13:53:06

ToxicQuillz wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
ToxicQuillz wrote:
I don't much about American politic.

Heck, I don't know much about politic about my country.

All I know that Romney is terrible.
can you like explain why you think that
if you read paddles post, you'll see that you can't just make baseless claims like that, you actually have to say things to back it up and reasons why you think what you think
I'm sorry. I read about him a little... I meant to say that I didn't like Romney.

haha it's okay, we all make mistakes and often come off harsher than we mean to ^^

jukyter · 2012-09-30 14:49:20

veggieman001 wrote:
there's also a really cool test i found called the political compass test which i can't link to due to a few of the questions not really being scratch-appropriate
but if anyone else does look it up and take it and want to see how they compare with me (because i'm cool B))
http://i.imgur.com/xKUMx.png

(in comparison the candidates are like this:)
http://i.imgur.com/gjsNx.png

omg werd made that thread like ages ago in themiscforums.tk
i'll go dig it up

cartooncreator wrote:
I personally prefer Romney, Obama's policies haven't really worked out. People might say that Obama became president at a bad time, and he's trying to fix the economy, but he's had almost four years and the economy hasn't improved.

Four years really isn't a long time
It may seem like it is to younger people but I think he's lived almost 10x that
And to fix the biggest recession since the Great Depression is hard!!

cartooncreator wrote:
Obama is all for free hand outs and is giving the working class' money to poor people. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with perfectly healthy people not working and recieving our tax money.

Uh yes because no one ever looks for jobs!! I don't think I understand. Are you saying people should die because they don't have jobs?

cartooncreator wrote:
Not to mention when our Ambassador and two Navy SEALs got killed in Libya, he blamed it on a Youtube video that was released in like, July, when it was pretty obvious they attacked because it was 9/11. The Democrats said it was a spontaneous attack, when the attackers had anti-aircraft guns. People don't go walking around with that kind of stuff in their pockets. There was virtually no protection on that day, even though the smart thing would have been putting alot of protection because it was 9/11.

Link please

cartooncreator · 2012-09-30 15:05:53

jukyter wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
there's also a really cool test i found called the political compass test which i can't link to due to a few of the questions not really being scratch-appropriate
but if anyone else does look it up and take it and want to see how they compare with me (because i'm cool B))
http://i.imgur.com/xKUMx.png

(in comparison the candidates are like this:)
http://i.imgur.com/gjsNx.png
omg werd made that thread like ages ago in themiscforums.tk
i'll go dig it up
cartooncreator wrote:
I personally prefer Romney, Obama's policies haven't really worked out. People might say that Obama became president at a bad time, and he's trying to fix the economy, but he's had almost four years and the economy hasn't improved.
Four years really isn't a long time
It may seem like it is to younger people but I think he's lived almost 10x that
And to fix the biggest recession since the Great Depression is hard!!

Yeah, but he hasn't fixed it, it's gotten worse.

jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
Obama is all for free hand outs and is giving the working class' money to poor people. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with perfectly healthy people not working and recieving our tax money.
Uh yes because no one ever looks for jobs!! I don't think I understand. Are you saying people should die because they don't have jobs?

No, I'm saying they should try to get a job instead of sitting around getting free handouts.

jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
Not to mention when our Ambassador and two Navy SEALs got killed in Libya, he blamed it on a Youtube video that was released in like, July, when it was pretty obvious they attacked because it was 9/11. The Democrats said it was a spontaneous attack, when the attackers had anti-aircraft guns. People don't go walking around with that kind of stuff in their pockets. There was virtually no protection on that day, even though the smart thing would have been putting alot of protection because it was 9/11.
Link please

Read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/in-libya-security-was-lax-prior-to-deadly-attack/2012/09/29/a56ffca0-0992-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html

videogame9 · 2012-09-30 15:12:39

cartooncreator wrote:
I'm saying they should try and get a job instead of sitting around getting free handouts.

What if they are unable to find a job?

svinnik · 2012-09-30 15:14:16

Both candidates are horrible.

veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 15:15:23

videogame9 wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
I'm saying they should try and get a job instead of sitting around getting free handouts.
What if they are unable to find a job?

yeah
i don't think most people do this, i think they actually try
but a lot of the times they're unsuccessful so what are they supposed to then
and yes i know that some people do do that but if it was taken away it would be making the majority suffer for what a minority does

svinnik wrote:
Both candidates are horrible.

there are more than two candidates

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jukyter · 2012-09-30 15:45:14

cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
there's also a really cool test i found called the political compass test which i can't link to due to a few of the questions not really being scratch-appropriate
but if anyone else does look it up and take it and want to see how they compare with me (because i'm cool B))
http://i.imgur.com/xKUMx.png

(in comparison the candidates are like this:)
http://i.imgur.com/gjsNx.png
omg werd made that thread like ages ago in themiscforums.tk
i'll go dig it up
cartooncreator wrote:
I personally prefer Romney, Obama's policies haven't really worked out. People might say that Obama became president at a bad time, and he's trying to fix the economy, but he's had almost four years and the economy hasn't improved.
Four years really isn't a long time
It may seem like it is to younger people but I think he's lived almost 10x that
And to fix the biggest recession since the Great Depression is hard!!
Yeah, but he hasn't fixed it, it's gotten worse.

I know this is from a long time ago (two whole years ago :0) but it supports the opposite of what you're saying

cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
Obama is all for free hand outs and is giving the working class' money to poor people. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with perfectly healthy people not working and recieving our tax money.
Uh yes because no one ever looks for jobs!! I don't think I understand. Are you saying people should die because they don't have jobs?
No, I'm saying they should try to get a job instead of sitting around getting free handouts.

Okay uh
The economy's bad
They're having a hard time finding a job
And you're saying they shouldn't be given money and left to die?

cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
Not to mention when our Ambassador and two Navy SEALs got killed in Libya, he blamed it on a Youtube video that was released in like, July, when it was pretty obvious they attacked because it was 9/11. The Democrats said it was a spontaneous attack, when the attackers had anti-aircraft guns. People don't go walking around with that kind of stuff in their pockets. There was virtually no protection on that day, even though the smart thing would have been putting alot of protection because it was 9/11.
Link please
Read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/in-libya-security-was-lax-prior-to-deadly-attack/2012/09/29/a56ffca0-0992-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html

Okay so from this article:
..."which the United States and Libya both denounced as an act of terrorism carried out by a violent minority, all the more tragic. Soon after he died, some videos were released showing Libyans trying to save him."
Seems to show that it was out of the blue
Y'know as out of the blue as 9/11

cartooncreator · 2012-09-30 15:55:05

jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:
veggieman001 wrote:
there's also a really cool test i found called the political compass test which i can't link to due to a few of the questions not really being scratch-appropriate
but if anyone else does look it up and take it and want to see how they compare with me (because i'm cool B))
http://i.imgur.com/xKUMx.png

(in comparison the candidates are like this:)
http://i.imgur.com/gjsNx.png
omg werd made that thread like ages ago in themiscforums.tk
i'll go dig it up
cartooncreator wrote:
I personally prefer Romney, Obama's policies haven't really worked out. People might say that Obama became president at a bad time, and he's trying to fix the economy, but he's had almost four years and the economy hasn't improved.
Four years really isn't a long time
It may seem like it is to younger people but I think he's lived almost 10x that
And to fix the biggest recession since the Great Depression is hard!!
Yeah, but he hasn't fixed it, it's gotten worse.
I know this is from a long time ago (two whole years ago :0) but it supports the opposite of what you're saying
cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:
cartooncreator wrote:
Obama is all for free hand outs and is giving the working class' money to poor people. I don't have a problem with that, I have a problem with perfectly healthy people not working and recieving our tax money.
Uh yes because no one ever looks for jobs!! I don't think I understand. Are you saying people should die because they don't have jobs?
No, I'm saying they should try to get a job instead of sitting around getting free handouts.
Okay uh
The economy's bad
They're having a hard time finding a job
And you're saying they shouldn't be given money and left to die?
cartooncreator wrote:
jukyter wrote:

Link please
Read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/in-libya-security-was-lax-prior-to-deadly-attack/2012/09/29/a56ffca0-0992-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html
Okay so from this article:
..."which the United States and Libya both denounced as an act of terrorism carried out by a violent minority, all the more tragic. Soon after he died, some videos were released showing Libyans trying to save him."
Seems to show that it was out of the blue
Y'know as out of the blue as 9/11

They did it because it was 9/11, that's what I'm trying to say. And this is from the article: "They had not reinforced the U.S. diplomatic outpost there to meet strict safety standards for government buildings overseas. Nor had they posted a U.S. Marine detachment, as at other diplomatic sites in high-threat regions."

BLU_Spy · 2012-09-30 16:29:24

jukyter wrote:
BLU_Spy wrote:
Well, I don't really care about politics...

Wow that's kinda sad and disappointing
I really hope your viewpoint changes when you grow up
Because not caring about how the world is going is basically not caring about yourself

Well, that‘s because I‘m still not an adult.

Of course I‘ll care when I grow up, but currently...

Ponies > Politics.

CN12 · 2012-09-30 16:35:18

We can't afford 4 more years of Obama. I was originally going for Rick Santorum though, but I can't stand Obama. So I say "Nobama".

veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 16:35:59

BLU_Spy wrote:
jukyter wrote:
BLU_Spy wrote:
Well, I don't really care about politics...

Wow that's kinda sad and disappointing
I really hope your viewpoint changes when you grow up
Because not caring about how the world is going is basically not caring about yourself
Well, that‘s because I‘m still not an adult.

Of course I‘ll care when I grow up, but currently...

Ponies > Politics.

just because you're a kid doesn't mean you're not a person (no matter what some establishments may have you believe)
i believe people should care about politics because it decides how the world is going and you still can make a difference by spreading your opinion

and i'm fairly certain that you can care about both my little pony and politics (and i'm not entirely sure how that's relevant)

CN12 wrote:
We can't afford 4 more years of Obama. I was originally going for Rick Santorum though, but I can't stand Obama. So I say "Nobama".

why? what's your reasoning?

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jackrulez · 2012-09-30 16:37:21

I don't know if this is just me being liberal, but I think Romney is kind of a bigot. :/ I mean, really, homosexuals are people too.

veggieman001 · 2012-09-30 16:41:13

jackrulez wrote:
I don't know if this is just me being liberal, but I think Romney is kind of a bigot. :/ I mean, really, homosexuals are people too.

i would agree—if you look on wikipedia it lists sexual orientation in the opening paragraph in its article on bigotry

jukyter · 2012-09-30 16:52:14

jackrulez wrote:
I don't know if this is just me being liberal, but I think Romney is kind of a bigot. :/ I mean, really, homosexuals are people too.

How dare you say homosexuals are people gosh I mean really
@cartooncreator; okay that's the first I heard of that case haha

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