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Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Liru wrote:

They'll get caught before they reach 100 anyway, and under 100 their post count is shown as numbers anyway, pretty pointless update.

Uhh, they're not always going to have 0 posts when they start spamming. Somone might have say 980 posts, and wants 1k by the end of the day so will spam to 1000.

Seeming you can just click on profile it's pretty easy to spam to reach personal goals.

But people usually spam to show off their high post counts, not to please themselves.

werdna123 wrote:

Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Uhh, they're not always going to have 0 posts when they start spamming. Somone might have say 980 posts, and wants 1k by the end of the day so will spam to 1000.

Seeming you can just click on profile it's pretty easy to spam to reach personal goals.

But people usually spam to show off their high post counts, not to please themselves.

Still gives bragging rights, and I feel sorry for Veggie, now he looks like most Scratchers that have been around a bit.

the main way i've seen users spam to get their post counts up is quoting(agreeing) with earlier posts since they don't have to work very hard to do it and people don't count it as spam...

Last edited by TRocket (2012-02-15 15:41:18)

Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Liru wrote:

Seeming you can just click on profile it's pretty easy to spam to reach personal goals.

But people usually spam to show off their high post counts, not to please themselves.

Still gives bragging rights, and I feel sorry for Veggie, now he looks like most Scratchers that have been around a bit.

But if we add a 10,000 then that's just a continuous goal which will take ages to get to, and people will end up spamming to get there.

Because of the Veggie Issue, they should add an "Experienced Scratcher" tag, which is given to people who seem really helpful and kind. They'd be chosen by the ST like becoming a Scratcher.

Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Liru wrote:

Still gives bragging rights, and I feel sorry for Veggie, now he looks like most Scratchers that have been around a bit.

But if we add a 10,000 then that's just a continuous goal which will take ages to get to, and people will end up spamming to get there.

Because of the Veggie Issue, they should add an "Experienced Scratcher" tag, which is given to people who seem really helpful and kind. They'd be chosen by the ST like becoming a Scratcher.

Trust me, spamming to get to 10,000 isn't possible, that's over 8000 spam posts you need to make.

It wouldn't be spamming nonstop, it would just encourage people to make short, blunt replies without much detail (eg. +1 and quote agreeing) in attempt to speed the process up.

werdna123 wrote:

Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

But if we add a 10,000 then that's just a continuous goal which will take ages to get to, and people will end up spamming to get there.

Because of the Veggie Issue, they should add an "Experienced Scratcher" tag, which is given to people who seem really helpful and kind. They'd be chosen by the ST like becoming a Scratcher.

Trust me, spamming to get to 10,000 isn't possible, that's over 8000 spam posts you need to make.

It wouldn't be spamming nonstop, it would just encourage people to make short, blunt replies without much detail (eg. +1 and quote agreeing) in attempt to speed the process up.

I've already noticed that a user I'm not going to name normally relies to random topics with a smiley face or something like "I've never played it", it's impossible to spam un-noticed.

Lightnin wrote:

TRocket wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

Hmmm... Well, this raises an important question - is this a good criteria for becoming famous? It seems like making awesome projects would be a better one. 

well, some people like me are very active at helping scratchers on the forums but don't often post projects..

And that's a great thing! But I'm not sure if the post count really reflects being active and helpful very well...  Unfortunately, things like that are really hard to quantify, and represent. It'd be cool if we could show a *helpfulness* number, but I know of no good way to do that.

As far as a helpfulness number goes, I've seen that on some forums, people can like a post, which increases the helpfulness. Disliking a post decreases the helpfulness count. But with this system, if someone hated another Scratcher, they could dislike all of their posts so no one would reply to them. (even if they were helpful)

Paddle2See wrote:

Liru wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

But people usually spam to show off their high post counts, not to please themselves.

Still gives bragging rights, and I feel sorry for Veggie, now he looks like most Scratchers that have been around a bit.

Veggie actually suggested that we remove post count completely at one point.

wow. 

bobbybee wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

TRocket wrote:

well, some people like me are very active at helping scratchers on the forums but don't often post projects..

And that's a great thing! But I'm not sure if the post count really reflects being active and helpful very well...  Unfortunately, things like that are really hard to quantify, and represent. It'd be cool if we could show a *helpfulness* number, but I know of no good way to do that.

As far as a helpfulness number goes, I've seen that on some forums, people can like a post, which increases the helpfulness. Disliking a post decreases the helpfulness count. But with this system, if someone hated another Scratcher, they could dislike all of their posts so no one would reply to them. (even if they were helpful)

Yeah, that's the problem with systems like that - they're pretty gameable, up or down.

We may always have to rely on our experience with people over time to decide how helpful / friendly they are, at least on the webs.

Lightnin wrote:

We may always have to rely on our experience with people over time to decide how helpful / friendly they are, at least on the webs.

That's where my idea (well, a lot of people's idea) is useful. A Helpful/Experienced/Trusted Scratcher rank which is given by the Scratch Team or mods to people who help the most.

fruitmanninja wrote:

How do we check our post count?

At the top of the page, below "Scratch Forums" there is a Profile option. Click it, and it'll show your post count. But this will hopefully be removed.

Last edited by werdna123 (2012-02-15 16:25:53)

The way I see it, this is security through censorship.
You don't want spamming, so just remove the post counts etc. I understand the spamming part, and have seen many cases of it. But I think that this is the wrong path. Instead of making the innocent and guilty suffer, maybe you could make a minimum character limit. So if it's less than say, 15-20 characters, it can't be posted. It will stop spam, because if you have nothing to say, it will be pretty hard to come up with something to say. I think that recently there have been lots of new things that destroy the innocent and guilty, instead of just the guilty.