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#1 2011-12-31 16:42:32

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I honestly think we are capable...

...of handling an LGBT topic. I do understand that some people are unaccepting, but honestly, a few people should not be enough of a reason to make LGBT topics out of the question. The Scratch community is full of LGBT people, and there should be a topic where we can talk about it. It's not spam or anything. Sometimes we need a place to talk about it-- the topic is sort of like an...outlet of sorts for us.

Who's with me? I think the community can handle it. The youngest people we have on the forums are 8, right? Even if their parents don't accept LGBT people, it won't be a problem if they see a topic. And isn't it their choice if the agree or not?



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#2 2011-12-31 16:44:12

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Complete agreement!  Coolstuff tried to explain why they took it down to me, but I still think we're perfectly capable of keeping and LGBT thread under control.  smile


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#3 2011-12-31 16:44:51

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Complete agreement!  Coolstuff tried to explain why they took it down to me, but I still think we're perfectly capable of keeping and LGBT thread under control.  smile

Yes but do we need one?
No.


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#4 2011-12-31 16:45:40

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

I agree.
It's such a shame it was closed  sad
Especially as for some people (me included), it's the only place to talk about that kind of stuff.


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#5 2011-12-31 16:46:31

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Lightnin wrote:

But to make sure that such topics are dealt with in a sensitive and constructive way, it takes a lot of time and energy to moderate the discussion appropriately. Unfortunately, we don’t feel we’re able to do that in the Scratch Forums.

It wasn't whether or not we could handle it, it was that keeping it peaceful was a hassle for the Scratch Team that was time better spent elsewhere, similarly to how religion topics are not allowed.


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#6 2011-12-31 16:47:20

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Powderbomb wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

But to make sure that such topics are dealt with in a sensitive and constructive way, it takes a lot of time and energy to moderate the discussion appropriately. Unfortunately, we don’t feel we’re able to do that in the Scratch Forums.

It wasn't whether or not we could handle it, it was that keeping it peaceful was a hassle for the Scratch Team that was time better spent elsewhere, similarly to how religion topics are not allowed.

But we ourselves are capable of helping the mods keep it under control.


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#7 2011-12-31 16:47:59

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

The worst part isn't the trolls. The worst part isn't that the mods themselves are against it. The worst part is that it's the only place in the world where I can talk about.
My family? Uncomfortable and don't want to talk.
My friends? Abandoned me when I came out.
Help groups? None near me.
Other forums? Don't know me well enough to understand.
My school? Everyone including teachers avoid me like the plague.

Sometimes I just feel like I should crawl down to the deepest reached of the Earth and stay there. No one would miss me.


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#8 2011-12-31 16:48:34

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Powderbomb wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

But to make sure that such topics are dealt with in a sensitive and constructive way, it takes a lot of time and energy to moderate the discussion appropriately. Unfortunately, we don’t feel we’re able to do that in the Scratch Forums.

It wasn't whether or not we could handle it, it was that keeping it peaceful was a hassle for the Scratch Team that was time better spent elsewhere, similarly to how religion topics are not allowed.

Yes, but it's only because of the selection of immature users that they couldn't moderate it enough.
If those users didn't post, then it would need less moderation.


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#9 2011-12-31 16:49:44

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Earthboundjeff wrote:

The worst part isn't the trolls. The worst part isn't that the mods themselves are against it. The worst part is that it's the only place in the world where I can talk about.
My family? Uncomfortable and don't want to talk.
My friends? Abandoned me when I came out.
Help groups? None near me.
Other forums? Don't know me well enough to understand.
My school? Everyone including teachers avoid me like the plague.

Sometimes I just feel like I should crawl down to the deepest reached of the Earth and stay there. No one would miss me.

I'd miss you  yikes   smile


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#10 2011-12-31 16:49:52

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

CheeseMunchy wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Complete agreement!  Coolstuff tried to explain why they took it down to me, but I still think we're perfectly capable of keeping and LGBT thread under control.  smile

Yes but do we need one?
No.

Why not?
Like I said, it's like an outlet for us.

LGBT people experience a lot of problems because of them being LGBT, unlike a lot of straight people. Some, like me, are even DEPRESSED about it.

@EBJ I'd miss you...  sad

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#11 2011-12-31 16:51:17

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Earthboundjeff wrote:

The worst part isn't the trolls. The worst part isn't that the mods themselves are against it. The worst part is that it's the only place in the world where I can talk about.
My family? Uncomfortable and don't want to talk.
My friends? Abandoned me when I came out.
Help groups? None near me.
Other forums? Don't know me well enough to understand.
My school? Everyone including teachers avoid me like the plague.

Sometimes I just feel like I should crawl down to the deepest reached of the Earth and stay there. No one would miss me.

I'd miss you!  A lot!  You're such a nice person...
smile

Mods!  Don't you see what you're doing to people?!?!


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#12 2011-12-31 16:51:47

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

I think we should have a topic about this. I mean, like, what's wrong with the concept? I know some people aren't a fan of it, but they can just not post, right?

All of what I just wrote is what I THINK you're talking about, but I'm not exactly sure.  hmm

NEVERMIND! I got what you're talking about. Yeah, I need a little...assistance with that kind of stuff. Because I don't know really WHAT I am! And surely a lot of other people on here feel the same way as I do: unsure. So you should make a topic about it, and tell everyone to be proud of who you are.

@EBJ: Don't say that....I'd miss you.  sad

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#13 2011-12-31 16:52:34

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

imnotbob wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Complete agreement!  Coolstuff tried to explain why they took it down to me, but I still think we're perfectly capable of keeping and LGBT thread under control.  smile

Yes but do we need one?
No.

Why not?
Like I said, it's like an outlet for us.

LGBT people experience a lot of problems because of them being LGBT, unlike a lot of straight people. Some, like me, are even DEPRESSED about it.

Yeah, I get depressed about it too.
And if Scratch didn't exist, I'd probably go my whole without coming out to anyone.
I just don't see why the mods can't trust us to be sensible.


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#14 2011-12-31 16:53:38

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

I really don't think we need one. Go make your own forums then.


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#15 2011-12-31 16:55:03

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

And wait for those to get accepted by the ST? If they don't accept the topics, why would they accept a forum about being LGBT?


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#16 2011-12-31 16:56:57

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

@JJ
It's people like you, like ALL of you naysayers, that make me cry myself to sleep some nights.


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#17 2011-12-31 16:57:27

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

imnotbob wrote:

And wait for those to get accepted by the ST? If they don't accept the topics, why would they accept a forum about being LGBT?

It's not so much the topic discussion that made them close it, it's the amount of moderation it needed.
They'd probably accept the forum, because they themselves wouldn't need to moderate it.


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#18 2011-12-31 16:58:55

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

imnotbob wrote:

And wait for those to get accepted by the ST? If they don't accept the topics, why would they accept a forum about being LGBT?

You don't have to have them approve it if you don't tell anyone about it on scratch.


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#19 2011-12-31 16:59:34

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

I agree 100%.  If you cannot deal with it, then...


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#20 2011-12-31 17:00:23

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

CheeseMunchy wrote:

imnotbob wrote:

And wait for those to get accepted by the ST? If they don't accept the topics, why would they accept a forum about being LGBT?

You don't have to have them approve it if you don't tell anyone about it on scratch.

But then noone would know about it...


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#21 2011-12-31 17:00:39

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

But they wouldn't let us link to it or even mention it. Also, who's to say we won't be trolled there too? But now with no stakes. They can troll all they want, no repercussions at all, it'd just keep happening, every day, every single day.


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#22 2011-12-31 17:01:57

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Earthboundjeff wrote:

@JJ
It's people like you, like ALL of you naysayers, that make me cry myself to sleep some nights.

So what? Make your own forums. If Scratch does not allow it, don't try to fight it. Just make your own forums. Easy as that, no trouble and no harm.


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#23 2011-12-31 17:04:03

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

JJROCKER wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

@JJ
It's people like you, like ALL of you naysayers, that make me cry myself to sleep some nights.

So what? Make your own forums. If Scratch does not allow it, don't try to fight it. Just make your own forums. Easy as that, no trouble and no harm.

Some parents may not wish their son/daughter to join another forums, as they may not feel they are suitable for children, such as harsh language, or just don't want them to join another forums.

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#24 2011-12-31 17:04:21

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

Read my above post.
It never ends! Everywhere I go, someone's always there to bully me into submission...


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#25 2011-12-31 17:04:28

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Re: I honestly think we are capable...

RedRocker227 wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

imnotbob wrote:

And wait for those to get accepted by the ST? If they don't accept the topics, why would they accept a forum about being LGBT?

You don't have to have them approve it if you don't tell anyone about it on scratch.

But then noone would know about it...

You could tell them by email, or Skype.

Just keep it all off Scratch.

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