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soupoftomato · 2011-12-26 23:59:13

rufflebee wrote:
Earthboundjeff wrote:
New topic: LGBT characters in games, books, tv, and movies.
minorities tend to be less-represented in that sort of thing

everyone calling anne frank bi isn't necessarily right by the way >:I

Because they are a lot less frequent, and media reflects that, with them being less frequent there as well.

imnotbob · 2011-12-27 00:02:20

soupoftomato wrote:
imnotbob wrote:
rufflebee wrote:
everyone calling anne frank bi isn't necessarily right by the way >:I
Same with Jesus, he wasn't bi.
That's not what they mean by "love"
I think Jesus was asexual in the sense he never got married, had children, or you know.

Well, yes, but I don't think Jesus had the chance to, in his short life.

soupoftomato · 2011-12-27 00:05:41

imnotbob wrote:
soupoftomato wrote:
imnotbob wrote:
Same with Jesus, he wasn't bi.
That's not what they mean by "love"
I think Jesus was asexual in the sense he never got married, had children, or you know.
Well, yes, but I don't think Jesus had the chance to, in his short life.

I think it was more of a purity thing. He was like 33-34 during his preaching and before his death right?

And his life isn't short.

Mayhem · 2011-12-27 05:35:30

PlutoIsHades wrote:
Why should it matter what the cause is?

It makes a huge difference. If it were proven that being homosexual were a choice, then it could become legal to discriminate and use hate-speech against homosexuals. All those churches saying it is a sin and that homosexuals are condemned to hell could be considered right (if you believe what religions tell you).

If, however, it is part of our nature, like gender or skin colour, then discriminating against homosexual individuals or using hate speech against them can be made illegal.

The religious institutions that have influence law for so long almost universally favour the former, which is why LBGT folks are still discriminated against in certain areas of law, such as legal marriage. However, fortunately, slowly but surely these things are being changed.

***

Vis Jesus, we have no idea of whether he was married or not, really, as the only information we have about him is what is written in the bible which tells us pretty much nothing about his personal life.

An interesting point to consider is that Jewish teachers at the time - which is what he was - were required to be married and some have speculated that the wedding at caana was actually his own.

Paddle2See · 2011-12-27 06:30:53

Mayhem wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Why should it matter what the cause is?
It makes a huge difference. If it were proven that being homosexual were a choice, then it could become legal to discriminate and use hate-speech against homosexuals. All those churches saying it is a sin and that homosexuals are condemned to hell could be considered right (if you believe what religions tell you).

If, however, it is part of our nature, like gender or skin colour, then discriminating against homosexual individuals or using hate speech against them can be made illegal.

The religious institutions that have influence law for so long almost universally favour the former, which is why LBGT folks are still discriminated against in certain areas of law, such as legal marriage. However, fortunately, slowly but surely these things are being changed.

***

Vis Jesus, we have no idea of whether he was married or not, really, as the only information we have about him is what is written in the bible which tells us pretty much nothing about his personal life.

An interesting point to consider is that Jewish teachers at the time - which is what he was - were required to be married and some have speculated that the wedding at caana was actually his own.

Please don't turn this into a religious discussion - they are no longer permitted in the forums.

I take issue with your implication that in order to make something illegal requires that it be proven to be part of our nature and not our free choice. Laws have been passed that make discrimination because of religious or political affiliation a crime (see article on Hate Crimes in Wikipedia). I think most people would agree that those affiliations are a choice rather than a genetic characteristic.

PlutoIsHades · 2011-12-27 07:23:14

Mayhem wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Why should it matter what the cause is?
It makes a huge difference. If it were proven that being homosexual were a choice, then it could become legal to discriminate and use hate-speech against homosexuals. All those churches saying it is a sin and that homosexuals are condemned to hell could be considered right (if you believe what religions tell you).

If, however, it is part of our nature, like gender or skin colour, then discriminating against homosexual individuals or using hate speech against them can be made illegal.

The religious institutions that have influence law for so long almost universally favour the former, which is why LBGT folks are still discriminated against in certain areas of law, such as legal marriage. However, fortunately, slowly but surely these things are being changed.

I thought they already knew that it's not a choice, but is part of who you are.

Earthboundjeff · 2011-12-27 10:43:11

Can we stop arguing
Please

Daroach1 · 2011-12-27 10:43:59

Earthboundjeff wrote:
Can we stop arguing
Please

owetre18 · 2011-12-27 10:52:31

Daroach1 wrote:
Earthboundjeff wrote:
Can we stop arguing
Please

imnotbob · 2011-12-27 11:45:50

PlutoIsHades wrote:
I thought they already knew that it's not a choice, but is part of who you are.

But you can change.

@soup: Well, it was a short life before he was crucified, and I don't know if he had much exposure to women.
And I thought he preached for, like, 3 years?

Earthboundjeff · 2011-12-27 17:17:40

Stop arguing or I'm leaving! mad

imnotbob · 2011-12-27 17:19:02

Earthboundjeff wrote:
Stop arguing or I'm leaving!

We're not...arguing... why would I argue with my master?

The_Dancing_Donut · 2011-12-27 17:19:17

Okay kids, let's calm down D:

I am bi-curious, it's weird but true.
I used to like my friend, a little.

I'm not bi though.

Daroach1 · 2011-12-27 17:20:16

Earthboundjeff wrote:
Stop arguing or I'm leaving!

Yeah, this is getting annoying. Let's bring up another topic...

New topic: Anything LGBT related that has nothing to do with arguing, jesus, or religion :3

PlutoIsHades · 2011-12-27 19:20:11

imnotbob wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
I thought they already knew that it's not a choice, but is part of who you are.
But you can change.

But it's not like "okay today I'm going to be lesbian, tomorrow I'll be bisexual, but yesterday I was pansexual and the day before I was demisexual!"

imnotbob · 2011-12-27 19:26:12

PlutoIsHades wrote:
imnotbob wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
I thought they already knew that it's not a choice, but is part of who you are.
But you can change.
But it's not like "okay today I'm going to be lesbian, tomorrow I'll be bisexual, but yesterday I was pansexual and the day before I was demisexual!"

Well, no.

But, I was straight, but I changed. And I'm lesbian-leaning.

RedRocker227 · 2011-12-27 19:29:07

imnotbob wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
imnotbob wrote:

But you can change.
But it's not like "okay today I'm going to be lesbian, tomorrow I'll be bisexual, but yesterday I was pansexual and the day before I was demisexual!"
Well, no.

But, I was straight, but I changed. And I'm lesbian-leaning.

Sorry if I sound either dumb or rude by saying this, but what do you mean by "lesbian-leaning"? You're not completely lesbian?

imnotbob · 2011-12-27 19:30:05

RedRocker227 wrote:
imnotbob wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:

But it's not like "okay today I'm going to be lesbian, tomorrow I'll be bisexual, but yesterday I was pansexual and the day before I was demisexual!"
Well, no.

But, I was straight, but I changed. And I'm lesbian-leaning.
Sorry if I sound either dumb or rude by saying this, but what do you mean by "lesbian-leaning"? You're not completely lesbian?

What I mean is I like mostly girls and am starting to like boys less

RedRocker227 · 2011-12-27 19:31:08

imnotbob wrote:
RedRocker227 wrote:
imnotbob wrote:

Well, no.

But, I was straight, but I changed. And I'm lesbian-leaning.
Sorry if I sound either dumb or rude by saying this, but what do you mean by "lesbian-leaning"? You're not completely lesbian?
What I mean is I like mostly girls and am starting to like boys less

Oh, okay.

Laternenpfahl · 2011-12-27 20:02:06

RedRocker227 wrote:
imnotbob wrote:
RedRocker227 wrote:

Sorry if I sound either dumb or rude by saying this, but what do you mean by "lesbian-leaning"? You're not completely lesbian?
What I mean is I like mostly girls and am starting to like boys less
Oh, okay.

smile

I dunno, I might be bi.

PlutoIsHades · 2011-12-28 10:40:47

Earthboundjeff wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Alternatives wrote:

What? How is Spongebob gay? They don't reference him liking any guys, or girls for that matter(that I can think of).
Spongebob: bye Mr Krabs! Bye Squidward! Bye Squidward!
Patrick: you said Squidward twice!
Spongebob: I like Squidward... :3
From the submarine episode.

That doesn't make him gay.

Alternatives · 2011-12-28 10:44:59

PlutoIsHades wrote:
Earthboundjeff wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:

What? How is Spongebob gay? They don't reference him liking any guys, or girls for that matter(that I can think of).
Spongebob: bye Mr Krabs! Bye Squidward! Bye Squidward!
Patrick: you said Squidward twice!
Spongebob: I like Squidward... :3
From the submarine episode.
That doesn't make him gay.

Its like you've never watched the show.

Laternenpfahl · 2011-12-28 10:45:09

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PlutoIsHades · 2011-12-28 10:47:20

Alternatives wrote:
PlutoIsHades wrote:
Earthboundjeff wrote:

Spongebob: bye Mr Krabs! Bye Squidward! Bye Squidward!
Patrick: you said Squidward twice!
Spongebob: I like Squidward... :3
From the submarine episode.
That doesn't make him gay.
Its like you've never watched the show.

Um, I have watched a lot of Spongebob. I just don't see how he's gay. He simply thinks mistakenly that Squidward is one of his best friends.

Dinoclor · 2011-12-28 10:53:43

I'm pretty sure I'm lesbian hmm
I've never had any interest whatsoever in boys,
like girls,
and find it hard to relate to other girls finding boys cute.

And all the evidence from when I was younger points to lesbian. (I never had a 'boyfriend' in kindergarten, I hated playing with dolls, etc)

What do you guys think? hmm

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