Scratch

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

How true.

Harakou wrote:

Flash isn't dead. Adobe only killed mobile Flash, not the entire platform.

Well, that certainly makes mobile Scratch even more difficult. >_>

Harakou wrote:

Flash isn't dead. Adobe only killed mobile Flash, not the entire platform.

The way I heard it was different.
But, HTML is sometimes better, because not everyone has flash. There's also Silverlight(please don't do Silverlight though, my browser doesn't have a working plugin for it), Java, and, Javascript.

The news is a disappointment, certainly.  However, my understanding is that HTML5 does not currently have the feature set that Scratch requires - so Flash was chosen.  Hopefully by the time that support for Flash becomes problematic, HTML5 will have matured a bit more and a port to that platform can be made.

Flash is dead. Lion doesn't support flash

Paddle2See wrote:

The news is a disappointment, certainly.  However, my understanding is that HTML5 does not currently have the feature set that Scratch requires - so Flash was chosen.  Hopefully by the time that support for Flash becomes problematic, HTML5 will have matured a bit more and a port to that platform can be made.

if a port scratch port to HTML is made that means it will be easier to mod!

LS97 wrote:

There is an enormous amount of confusion going on here!

First of all, Adobe will continue to happily support Flash on computers, but discontinuing development on handheld hardware. Computers will still support Flash, and Flash will also be still available on older handhelds but without updates or support (and won't be installed on newer devices).

Second, Lion does support Flash! There is a big difference between not supporting something and not having a feature pre-installed. Flash on Mac will now have to be downloaded from Adobe instead of it being pre-installed. This really isn't a big deal: Windows has been doing this since Flash was born.

Third, Flash is currently the only language fully supported by web standards. Java applets are already falling short, and HTML5 is in its beginnings.

Last, as someone else already said, Flash makes Adobe a tremendous amount of money. To develop proper Flash applications, developers will need to buy hundred-dollar software. For Adobe, this means $$$.

These are four points that certainly prove that Flash is not dead, and has a long life to live before it is overtaken by any other web application.

I'm glad LS97 is here to clear everything up!

Harakou wrote:

LS97 wrote:

There is an enormous amount of confusion going on here!

First of all, Adobe will continue to happily support Flash on computers, but discontinuing development on handheld hardware. Computers will still support Flash, and Flash will also be still available on older handhelds but without updates or support (and won't be installed on newer devices).

Second, Lion does support Flash! There is a big difference between not supporting something and not having a feature pre-installed. Flash on Mac will now have to be downloaded from Adobe instead of it being pre-installed. This really isn't a big deal: Windows has been doing this since Flash was born.

Third, Flash is currently the only language fully supported by web standards. Java applets are already falling short, and HTML5 is in its beginnings.

Last, as someone else already said, Flash makes Adobe a tremendous amount of money. To develop proper Flash applications, developers will need to buy hundred-dollar software. For Adobe, this means $$$.

These are four points that certainly prove that Flash is not dead, and has a long life to live before it is overtaken by any other web application.

Thanks for clearing that up LS97; you said it much better than I could have.

Yes, thanks a lot for clarifying, LS97.

LS97 wrote:

There is an enormous amount of confusion going on here!

First of all, Adobe will continue to happily support Flash on computers, but discontinuing development on handheld hardware. Computers will still support Flash, and Flash will also be still available on older handhelds but without updates or support (and won't be installed on newer devices).

Second, Lion does support Flash! There is a big difference between not supporting something and not having a feature pre-installed. Flash on Mac will now have to be downloaded from Adobe instead of it being pre-installed. This really isn't a big deal: Windows has been doing this since Flash was born.

Third, Flash is currently the only language fully supported by web standards. Java applets are already falling short, and HTML5 is in its beginnings.

Last, as someone else already said, Flash makes Adobe a tremendous amount of money. To develop proper Flash applications, developers will need to buy hundred-dollar software. For Adobe, this means $$$.

These are four points that certainly prove that Flash is not dead, and has a long life to live before it is overtaken by any other web application.

Good, because I bought it recently.

**FLASH IS AN ABOMINATION**
Where do I begin???
It is slow
It lags
It makes developers pay an $800 fine to a private company
It's losing support

HTML5 with Canvas is the future. It doesn't lag, it's open source and it's free as anything.
There is one problem with Canvas though, collision detection is nearly impossible with image sprites. Besides that,
Flash was a mistake

midnightleopard wrote:

**FLASH IS AN ABOMINATION**
Where do I begin???
It is slow
It lags
It makes developers pay an $800 fine to a private company
It's losing support

HTML5 with Canvas is the future. It doesn't lag, it's open source and it's free as anything.
There is one problem with Canvas though, collision detection is nearly impossible with image sprites. Besides that,
Flash was a mistake

I don't really feel that it's a mistake. Flash can be a lot easier for children to use because it's less glitchy and more supported through plugins than HTML5 is, especially with the oh-so-common Internet Explorer.