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#1 2011-11-06 09:41:14

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The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

Please keep the discussion calm. I don't want this to get closed.

This is a topic I was talking with my friends about, and we all agreed that groups like the FCC and the PTC are pointless and corrupt, as well as an infringement on not only free speech, but personal freedom as well.

What do you think? I'll go into more depth in my opinion later.


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#2 2011-11-06 10:26:23

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I agree. Also, I wish the FCC allowed you to make your own high-power radio station without a license.  sad


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#3 2011-11-06 11:33:45

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

What are the FCC and the PTC.


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#4 2011-11-06 11:40:47

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"Well, the FCC won't let me be. Let me be me, so you can see, they shut me down on MTV, it feels so empty without me." - Eminem

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#5 2011-11-06 11:41:22

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

I think they're both good and bad.


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#6 2011-11-06 11:53:44

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He's the angriest gamer you've ever heard...
I hate censorship.
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#7 2011-11-06 12:44:33

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

catfan8 wrote:

What are the FCC and the PTC.

Federal Communications Commission
Parents Television Council

veggieman001 wrote:

I think they're both good and bad.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. How are they good and how are they bad.

owetre18 wrote:

"Well, the FCC won't let me be. Let me be me, so you can see, they shut me down on MTV, it feels so empty without me." - Eminem

Lyrics lyrics causin' controversy, sponsors workin' 'round the clock trying' to stop my concerts early.

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I hate censorship.

Me too. It's counterproductive and hypocritical.


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#8 2011-11-06 13:02:32

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It saddens me that at this point in time, we still have an attitude of "you have to say the right things at the right time". It's quite embarrassing. The FCC is part of this. They're forcing everybody to have to have their favorite songs, television shows, radio programs, etc. because they might offend some people. This blatantly ignores the fact that people can change the channel or station if they find the material offensive, or not let their children listen or watch it if they find the material unsuitable for them. I find this policy to be both an infringement on the content provider's free speech and a listener who wouldn't be offended's personal freedom.

And also the way this is set up, material that is sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic, etc. can get broadcasted, but swear words cannot. This means that content that's actuay offensive can air, but simple words can't. "Oh poo" is no different than another similar word, yet one is considered more offensive than the other. Euphemisms ("the F word", "the N word", etc.) are pointless, because technically it means the same thing as the actual word.

The bottom line is, I despise censorship of pretty much any kind, especially if it's infringing on my freedom (I can't hear my favorite songs normally on the radio, I can't watch my favorite shows normally, etc.).


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#9 2011-11-06 13:23:09

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I plead the 1st.


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#10 2011-11-06 14:54:00

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

fire219 wrote:

I agree. Also, I wish the FCC allowed you to make your own high-power radio station without a license.  sad

You could cook someone without the knowledge that comes with a licence.  Literally.  Cook them.  The FCC is just trying to keep people safe.  A ham licence isn't that hard to get, and you can do all sorts of things with it.  They just don't want people to:

1.  Cook people or have them die from malfunctioning stuff due to radio interference
2.  Have people make money off of it.  That's what radio stations are for.

The licence make you know a few basic rules to... um... AVOID GETING SUED OR DEAD!

sanddude wrote:

It saddens me that at this point in time, we still have an attitude of "you have to say the right things at the right time". It's quite embarrassing. The FCC is part of this. They're forcing everybody to have to have their favorite songs, television shows, radio programs, etc. because they might offend some people. This blatantly ignores the fact that people can change the channel or station if they find the material offensive, or not let their children listen or watch it if they find the material unsuitable for them. I find this policy to be both an infringement on the content provider's free speech and a listener who wouldn't be offended's personal freedom.

And also the way this is set up, material that is sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic, etc. can get broadcasted, but swear words cannot. This means that content that's actuay offensive can air, but simple words can't. "Oh poo" is no different than another similar word, yet one is considered more offensive than the other. Euphemisms ("the F word", "the N word", etc.) are pointless, because technically it means the same thing as the actual word.

The bottom line is, I despise censorship of pretty much any kind, especially if it's infringing on my freedom (I can't hear my favorite songs normally on the radio, I can't watch my favorite shows normally, etc.).

But those words' definitions have given them different social statuses.  One means "solid waste"  and the other means something not apropriate for Scratch.  Saying things like that is not nessacary, anyways.  If you like that than I suggest going to another country where it's legal to broadcast that stuff in daytime hours.  Besides, the radio is dying from the internet's song pirating, so it soon won't matter.  Homophopia means being afraid of ALL members of your species.  Homo means same, and Phobos means fear.  Fear of the Same.  Noone is afraid of ALL other humans.

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#11 2011-11-06 15:09:44

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

Rexpup wrote:

fire219 wrote:

I agree. Also, I wish the FCC allowed you to make your own high-power radio station without a license.  sad

You could cook someone without the knowledge that comes with a licence.  Literally.  Cook them.  The FCC is just trying to keep people safe.  A ham licence isn't that hard to get, and you can do all sorts of things with it.  They just don't want people to:

1.  Cook people or have them die from malfunctioning stuff due to radio interference
2.  Have people make money off of it.  That's what radio stations are for.

The licence make you know a few basic rules to... um... AVOID GETING SUED OR DEAD!

You have a point with the cooking people, though whoever has the resources or skills to set up a radio station would most likely know how to broadcast without microwaving people to a crisp.

And who says you would be broadcasting copyrighted music? You might just be broadcasting free-domain music, or music you made yourself. If someone broadcasts copyrighted music, they should expect to be sued, and that is between that person and the recording studio (or whoever sues the person), and none of the FCC's business.

Oh, and I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to pay a few thousand dollars for a license to use a 50 (or 90, depending on if it is AM or FM) year old technology.

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#12 2011-11-06 17:51:55

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

Rexpup wrote:

sanddude wrote:

It saddens me that at this point in time, we still have an attitude of "you have to say the right things at the right time". It's quite embarrassing. The FCC is part of this. They're forcing everybody to have to have their favorite songs, television shows, radio programs, etc. because they might offend some people. This blatantly ignores the fact that people can change the channel or station if they find the material offensive, or not let their children listen or watch it if they find the material unsuitable for them. I find this policy to be both an infringement on the content provider's free speech and a listener who wouldn't be offended's personal freedom.

And also the way this is set up, material that is sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-Semetic, etc. can get broadcasted, but swear words cannot. This means that content that's actuay offensive can air, but simple words can't. "Oh poo" is no different than another similar word, yet one is considered more offensive than the other. Euphemisms ("the F word", "the N word", etc.) are pointless, because technically it means the same thing as the actual word.

The bottom line is, I despise censorship of pretty much any kind, especially if it's infringing on my freedom (I can't hear my favorite songs normally on the radio, I can't watch my favorite shows normally, etc.).

But those words' definitions have given them different social statuses.  One means "solid waste"  and the other means something not apropriate for Scratch.  Saying things like that is not nessacary, anyways.  If you like that than I suggest going to another country where it's legal to broadcast that stuff in daytime hours.  Besides, the radio is dying from the internet's song pirating, so it soon won't matter.  Homophopia means being afraid of ALL members of your species.  Homo means same, and Phobos means fear.  Fear of the Same.  Noone is afraid of ALL other humans.

Facepalm.

Homophobia means the fear or hatred of homosexuals.

And poop and the similar word do both mean solid waste. It's pointless that one is considered taboo, but one is not. It doesn't matter that it's unnecessary to say it, what matters it that people should be allowed to say it.


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#13 2011-11-06 17:58:16

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

sanddude wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

I think they're both good and bad.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. How are they good and how are they bad.

Well
People have different values and ways they'd like to raise their children. While I don't have a problem with swearing and some other things, I don't think that we should force everybody who listens to the radio or watches television to have to filter through everything to make sure it fits with their family values.

I don't really agree with censorship, but it can sometimes protect kids before they're ready.

Also, without such organisations, there would eventually be some pretty nasty things on mainstream television channels. Would you like to be exposed to extreme gore or hardcore pornography while channel-flipping at the age of, oh I dunno, six or seven?


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#14 2011-11-06 19:17:32

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Person one: You're buying the edited version of a rap song?
Person two: Yeah.
P1: Are you paying half as much for half the words?

tongue

Anyway... I totally agree with Sanddude, at least on radio. I have to agree with veggie on TV though. While sanddude is right about how one word is completely unacceptable and the other is fine even though they mean the same thing, making it completely pointless and shouldn't be offensive, people could totally be scarred by something "inappropriate" on TV.


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#15 2011-11-06 19:19:19

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FCC
Frozen Coco Company?


the the the the the

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#16 2011-11-06 19:20:20

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jslomba wrote:

FCC
Frozen Coco Company?

Federal Communications Committee


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#17 2011-11-06 19:21:27

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veggieman001 wrote:

jslomba wrote:

FCC
Frozen Coco Company?

Federal Communications Commission


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#18 2011-11-06 19:21:57

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meowmeow55 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

jslomba wrote:

FCC
Frozen Coco Company?

Federal Communications Commission

same thing :I


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#19 2011-11-06 20:00:06

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

veggieman001 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

I think they're both good and bad.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. How are they good and how are they bad.

Well
People have different values and ways they'd like to raise their children. While I don't have a problem with swearing and some other things, I don't think that we should force everybody who listens to the radio or watches television to have to filter through everything to make sure it fits with their family values.

I don't really agree with censorship, but it can sometimes protect kids before they're ready.

Also, without such organisations, there would eventually be some pretty nasty things on mainstream television channels. Would you like to be exposed to extreme gore or hardcore pornography while channel-flipping at the age of, oh I dunno, six or seven?

Very reasonable argument. However, if you're looking for something, you should go to that channel. If a 6 year old knows what the hardcore * channels are, then that's a personal problem. And also, you can block channels.

I agree that younger kids shouldn't see extreme violence or sexuality, but I think that the average older kid or teenager could handle it if he/she's mature enough it. And if the child isn't ready, that's all about parental responsibility.


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#20 2011-11-06 20:02:50

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yikes

If they shut down my TV, then I'd have to be called Radioflea :OOO


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#21 2011-11-06 20:06:40

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Unless they also shut down the radio.


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#22 2011-11-07 07:36:56

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectable_output_control

This is a horrible, horrible thing.
It is currently banned by the FCC, but a waiver has recently been given for recent movies.


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#23 2011-11-07 10:03:57

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

sanddude wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

sanddude wrote:


That's an interesting way of looking at it. How are they good and how are they bad.

Well
People have different values and ways they'd like to raise their children. While I don't have a problem with swearing and some other things, I don't think that we should force everybody who listens to the radio or watches television to have to filter through everything to make sure it fits with their family values.

I don't really agree with censorship, but it can sometimes protect kids before they're ready.

Also, without such organisations, there would eventually be some pretty nasty things on mainstream television channels. Would you like to be exposed to extreme gore or hardcore pornography while channel-flipping at the age of, oh I dunno, six or seven?

Very reasonable argument. However, if you're looking for something, you should go to that channel. If a 6 year old knows what the hardcore * channels are, then that's a personal problem. And also, you can block channels.

I agree that younger kids shouldn't see extreme violence or sexuality, but I think that the average older kid or teenager could handle it if he/she's mature enough it. And if the child isn't ready, that's all about parental responsibility.

Not all channels are specialised channels.


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#24 2011-11-07 17:59:38

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Re: The FCC, The PTC, and Censorship in General

veggieman001 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:


Well
People have different values and ways they'd like to raise their children. While I don't have a problem with swearing and some other things, I don't think that we should force everybody who listens to the radio or watches television to have to filter through everything to make sure it fits with their family values.

I don't really agree with censorship, but it can sometimes protect kids before they're ready.

Also, without such organisations, there would eventually be some pretty nasty things on mainstream television channels. Would you like to be exposed to extreme gore or hardcore pornography while channel-flipping at the age of, oh I dunno, six or seven?

Very reasonable argument. However, if you're looking for something, you should go to that channel. If a 6 year old knows what the hardcore * channels are, then that's a personal problem. And also, you can block channels.

I agree that younger kids shouldn't see extreme violence or sexuality, but I think that the average older kid or teenager could handle it if he/she's mature enough it. And if the child isn't ready, that's all about parental responsibility.

Not all channels are specialised channels.

Yes, but a parent should know if a channel is likely to show things that they wouldn't want their child seeing.


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#25 2011-11-07 18:07:04

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catfan8 wrote:

What are the FCC and the PTC.


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