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I agree.

Last edited by CheeseMunchy (2011-11-01 10:02:12)

I understand about the suicide bit, but good people on Scratch can help.  And it's mainly a few users, but I believe they are some of the best people on Scratch.

Alright. I agree, this totally makes sense and if someone wants to talk to someone else in the community about stuff like this, they can use things like email, Steam, Skype, etc.

Another quick question: if these people are so anonymous like you say, how do you know that they have made false claims?

Lightnin wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

I understand about the suicide bit, but good people on Scratch can help.

That may be, but Scratch still isn't the place to have those conversations. Everything said on Scratch is out in the open, and not everyone who reads a thread posts on it. We know younger kids follow the Misc. even if they aren't "Scratchers" or can't post. It's not fair to put them in a position to have to sort out what's going on. No offense to those who are suffering - but it's just too intense for little kids to have to deal with.

And this is not to say you shouldn't support your friends: we hope that you will continue to do so. Just not through talking about these kinds of issues on Scratch.

veggieman001 wrote:

Alright. I agree, this totally makes sense and if someone wants to talk to someone else in the community about stuff like this, they can use things like email, Steam, Skype, etc.

Another quick question: if these people are so anonymous like you say, how do you know that they have made false claims?

Well, that part is mostly referring to past cases that we've seen on the main site, where people have made throwaway accounts and posted about having terminal diseases with only days to live, or the loss of loved ones who then turn out later not to have actually died, etc. That kind of thing. When people who are posting comments to Scratch minute by minute from the hospital during the last moments of their life, and then are miraculously cured, you kind of start to realize that not everything they've said is exactly true.

However, I do think that even if the facts aren't straight, the gist often is -- probably people who make those accounts really are suffering, or angry, or sad in some way, just not for the reasons they are claiming.

But anyway - these are all old cases we were referring to and are not to say that any particular Scratcher hasn't been on the level. And even when people make claims that are kind of dubious, we still respond respectfully because there's no sure way to know. But one can respond respectfully without feeding into the drama, which is what we try to do.

Lightnin wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

Alright. I agree, this totally makes sense and if someone wants to talk to someone else in the community about stuff like this, they can use things like email, Steam, Skype, etc.

Another quick question: if these people are so anonymous like you say, how do you know that they have made false claims?

Well, that part is mostly referring to past cases that we've seen on the main site, where people have made throwaway accounts and posted about having terminal diseases with only days to live, or the loss of loved ones who then turn out later not to have actually died, etc. That kind of thing. When people who are posting comments to Scratch minute by minute from the hospital during the last moments of their life, and then are miraculously cured, you kind of start to realize that not everything they've said is exactly true.

However, I do think that even if the facts aren't straight, the gist often is -- probably people who make those accounts really are suffering, or angry, or sad in some way, or a troll, just not for the reasons they are claiming.

But anyway - these are all old cases we were referring to and are not to say that any particular Scratcher hasn't been on the level. And even when people make claims that are kind of dubious, we still respond respectfully because there's no sure way to know. But one can respond respectfully without feeding into the drama, which is what we try to do.

rabbit1131 wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

Off topic:WOW, you can really type fast!

Before your post stated....

CheeseMunchy wrote:

WOW, you can really type fast!

One refresh later...

CheeseMunchy wrote:

Off topic:WOW, you can really type fast!

Ya?

CheeseMunchy wrote:

I agree.

scimonster wrote:

Maybe you should sticky this, Lightnin

scimonster wrote:

Maybe you should sticky this, Lightnin.
What about discussing it quietly in comments?

I think the same concerns ultimately apply - anyone, including younger Scratchers, might encounter them. More people read stuff than post / comment.

As for stickying - I'm not sure it's really necessary yet. But I have updated the Misc guidelines to reflect the new policy.

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=30842

While we're at it, can we also make some official rules?

Last edited by Andres-Vander (2011-11-01 11:59:33)

I think he means a more clear defined outline of what's not alright, though I could be wrong.