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#1 2011-10-26 22:43:55

ZackSnyder
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iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Apple should be letting in an iPhone.iPod app for scratch. I would recommend anyone who has done it to try again.

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#2 2011-10-26 23:49:28

Laternenpfahl
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Exactly! Apple rejected it because it uses another programming language, but now there's codify... Why did apple allow that???


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#3 2011-10-27 17:33:13

gbear605
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Laternenpfahl wrote:

Exactly! Apple rejected it because it uses another programming language, but now there's codify... Why did apple allow that???

It was not the language.  Its because it runs code that isn't part of the app/made by the app.  All the code in codify is part of the app / made by the app.


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#4 2011-10-28 19:53:11

XenoKStudios
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Now that there's codify, I dont see why the scratch iphone app creator wouldnt use that to create it once more...


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#5 2011-10-28 20:43:04

kayybee
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Read gbear's post.

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#6 2011-10-28 22:13:12

henley
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Listen:

The Scratch Player for iOS can not be recreated because it runs code. There is no way to get past the fact that it runs code. Running non-approved codes, is against the Apple terms of use. Because there is no way to get past the fact that Scratch runs code, there is no way to get past the fact that the Scratch App for iOS breaks Apple's terms of use. If that breaks Apple's terms of use, it is therefore illegal. If it is illegal, people shouldn't have it. If people shouldn't have it, Apple will not allow it.


There. I hope you guys understand that Scratch.app for iOS will not come back. I explained it in terms a four year old could understand.


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#7 2011-10-29 03:09:20

mattb777
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Henley is correct. The iPhone app will not happen.


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#8 2011-10-29 09:51:18

rookwood101
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

henley wrote:

Listen:

The Scratch Player for iOS can not be recreated because it runs code. There is no way to get past the fact that it runs code. Running non-approved codes, is against the Apple terms of use. Because there is no way to get past the fact that Scratch runs code, there is no way to get past the fact that the Scratch App for iOS breaks Apple's terms of use. If that breaks Apple's terms of use, it is therefore illegal. If it is illegal, people shouldn't have it. If people shouldn't have it, Apple will not allow it.


There. I hope you guys understand that Scratch.app for iOS will not come back. I explained it in terms a four year old could understand.

It's not illegal.


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#9 2011-10-29 10:09:52

henley
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

rookwood101 wrote:

henley wrote:

Listen:

The Scratch Player for iOS can not be recreated because it runs code. There is no way to get past the fact that it runs code. Running non-approved codes, is against the Apple terms of use. Because there is no way to get past the fact that Scratch runs code, there is no way to get past the fact that the Scratch App for iOS breaks Apple's terms of use. If that breaks Apple's terms of use, it is therefore illegal. If it is illegal, people shouldn't have it. If people shouldn't have it, Apple will not allow it.


There. I hope you guys understand that Scratch.app for iOS will not come back. I explained it in terms a four year old could understand.

It's not illegal.

-_-*

In what way is it not illegal?

It violates Apple’s terms of service, and was put in the App Store anyways. That is perfectly illegal.


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#10 2011-10-29 10:31:37

logiblocs
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

But it isn't illegal. It is just not allowed by Apple. Apple is not the government.

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#11 2011-10-29 15:39:36

kayybee
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

logiblocs wrote:

But it isn't illegal. It is just not allowed by Apple. Apple is not the government.

But since you are putting an app up, you MUST comply with apple's App submission TOS.

EDT:By not complying with the TOS, you are not permitted to use the service of app-put-upping.

SEDT:I don't think I need to explain more, but...

Since you want the app to be up, you are using the service without complying to the TOS, which is not allowed since the app-put-upper agreed to the TOS.

But my question is how they noticed that several weeks after they approved it. Shouldn't they have checked it themselves? Or did their TOS change?

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#12 2011-10-29 16:53:06

henley
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

logiblocs wrote:

But it isn't illegal. It is just not allowed by Apple. Apple is not the government.

It doesn’t matter. It’s still not allowed on the App Store.


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#13 2011-10-31 11:16:46

henley
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

Why do topics always stop after I post?

D:


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#14 2011-10-31 15:34:32

cds56
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

because it's really funny  smile 

And it came to a conclusion:

Scratch App = Illegal  sad   (or just against the TOS, which since the TOS is a legal agreement, opposing it would be ILLEGAL)

Since it runs code and such..

I wish I'd bought/downloaded it before then.. or if a ripped copy existed somewhere on the internet.


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#15 2011-10-31 19:04:55

kayybee
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

cds56 wrote:

because it's really funny  smile 

And it came to a conclusion:

Scratch App = Illegal  sad   (or just against the TOS, which since the TOS is a legal agreement, opposing it would be ILLEGAL)

Since it runs code and such..

I wish I'd bought/downloaded it before then.. or if a ripped copy existed somewhere on the internet.

It does, there's one but you need a dev account to compile it.

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#16 2011-11-19 00:38:45

wolvesstar97
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

henley wrote:

The Scratch Player for iOS can not be recreated because it runs code. There is no way to get past the fact that it runs code. Running non-approved codes, is against the Apple terms of use. Because there is no way to get past the fact that Scratch runs code, there is no way to get past the fact that the Scratch App for iOS breaks Apple's terms of use. If that breaks Apple's terms of use, it is therefore illegal. If it is illegal, people shouldn't have it. If people shouldn't have it, Apple will not allow it.

Get apple to approve the code. If apple dosent cooperate (as usual) then look to Verizon. LG NV touch could have an app.


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#17 2011-11-19 00:40:11

wolvesstar97
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

kayybee wrote:

cds56 wrote:

because it's really funny  smile 

And it came to a conclusion:

Scratch App = Illegal  sad   (or just against the TOS, which since the TOS is a legal agreement, opposing it would be ILLEGAL)

Since it runs code and such..

I wish I'd bought/downloaded it before then.. or if a ripped copy existed somewhere on the internet.

It does, there's one but you need a dev account to compile it.

Whats the URL?


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#18 2011-11-19 03:53:04

LS97
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Re: iPhone App Should Be Re-Attempted

There's a difference between violation of terms and breaking the law.

It is not illegal to go against terms of use: it's just that your privilege of using the software gets taken back.

Illegal is only what is forbidden by law in your country. For example, U.S. Law forbids you to sell proprietary software without the copyright holder's permission. That is illegal.

Therefore, it's not illegal, but it's a violation of their terms and they have the power to take back your account without refund, because you've been warned.

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