Scratch

joefarebrother wrote:

one word: mesh. Then you can make a chat room project yourself!

Also, how was helltank's post last edited by cheddargirl???

Mods and Scratch Team can edit other people's posts. 

cheddargirl wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

or, you seperate Madagascar into lots of different sections, and the leader of each section can kick people out of his section as he sees fit.

You would still need a lot of leaders (moderators) for each section, however. Keep in mind user-driven monitoring (which, in the case of this thread topic, means allowing certain Scratchers to control their own chats) is not a viable solution to the moderation problem because the site is full of minors; things on the site need to be consistent with the given Community Guidelines, user-driven monitoring does not guarantee that.

There are over 800 000 site users and over 200 000 of them who actively create projects (which total over 2 million). Because most of the members are minors, so any form of communication needs to be watched very closely, and the content uploaded to the site needs to be monitored as well. There is a report function and a swear filter on site already, and this does keep things under control to a certain degree, but even then there are still a lot of material and issues to monitor everyday - mind you, this is under the current commenting and forum posting system on Scratch, imagine how much moderation is needed if chat functions and a messaging system were allowed!

This is pretty much the main issue of why messaging systems and chatrooms aren't allowed on Scratch. Until there's some way to resolve on how to maintain chatrooms and messaging systems safe for the younger members of the site, having a messaging system or chatroom function will be pretty much met with a "no".

To add on to this, simply make a post in "Collaborations" that you want to meet on MSN, Skype or Chatzy or whatever and go there at a prearranged time.

-_- Do I need to direct you to the sticky topic saying 'READ THIS BEFORE POSTING!' ?

my-chemical-romance wrote:

helltank wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

You would still need a lot of leaders (moderators) for each section, however. Keep in mind user-driven monitoring (which, in the case of this thread topic, means allowing certain Scratchers to control their own chats) is not a viable solution to the moderation problem because the site is full of minors; things on the site need to be consistent with the given Community Guidelines, user-driven monitoring does not guarantee that.

There are over 800 000 site users and over 200 000 of them who actively create projects (which total over 2 million). Because most of the members are minors, so any form of communication needs to be watched very closely, and the content uploaded to the site needs to be monitored as well. There is a report function and a swear filter on site already, and this does keep things under control to a certain degree, but even then there are still a lot of material and issues to monitor everyday - mind you, this is under the current commenting and forum posting system on Scratch, imagine how much moderation is needed if chat functions and a messaging system were allowed!

This is pretty much the main issue of why messaging systems and chatrooms aren't allowed on Scratch. Until there's some way to resolve on how to maintain chatrooms and messaging systems safe for the younger members of the site, having a messaging system or chatroom function will be pretty much met with a "no".

To add on to this, simply make a post in "Collaborations" that you want to meet on MSN, Skype or Chatzy or whatever and go there at a prearranged time.

Please stop posting on here, I don't think you get the fact that I can't share emails at all, nobody can.

Of course nobody can share e-mails, e-mails cannot be posted here because it counts as sharing personal information (see Community Guidelines). It's preferred that any form of communication are kept out in the open.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

"You would still need a lot of leaders (moderators) for each section, however. Keep in mind user-driven monitoring (which, in the case of this thread topic, means allowing certain Scratchers to control their own chats) is not a viable solution to the moderation problem because the site is full of minors; things on the site need to be consistent with the given Community Guidelines, user-driven monitoring does not guarantee that."

that's why you could just open your own group, make it public or private, and if someone's swearing you could kick&report them

I don't you get the fact that opening your own group [particularly a private one] counts as user-driven monitoring, which is discouraged. 

Besides, there are other ways for collaborating in a group, such as the Collaboration forums or using a gallery. Whatever the form of collaboration has to be, it has to be kept out in the open and easily monitored by the moderators.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

yes, but anyone can post in anything, part of the team or not.

and I think it's more mature to allow us to talk it through instead of deleting posts whenever it's made, as long as we talk it all through then it makes sense.

There are times where someone will publicly intervene, but sometimes there are things that need to be deleted right way, particularly if the comment shares personal info or if it's extremely unfriendly.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

even just changing galleries a bit so that only team members (which would be invited to the gallery) can talk on or see it, the moderators could join, talk or see it anyway.

It would be better if everyone can see whatever is posted (remember, keeping things open allows for anything bad to be spotted right away).

Functions like the Ignore list can help to block out unwanted users (particularly in galleries), but sometimes it's good to have things open to everybody - you never know when someone from outside the group can contribute or provide insight on something, or if other users can learn from the collaborative work of others. 

my-chemical-romance wrote:

nobody ever says anything helpful, they just comment on things randomly.

and how do you quote 2 seperate things?

You split up the quote tags yourself.

Now then, onto your thing:
I shouldn't need to direct you to this, but as you keep on insisting.
Go here, basically what you are suggesting is covered under 'Private Messaging'.  So, here you are.  Now stop your whining 

my-chemical-romance wrote:

I'm not whining, and it's funny as I am thinking your signiture right now.

I've seen that, I've said many times, maybe you should try reading?

maybe, anyone could see it, but only members of the group could post, so you could still report even if you're not allowed to post.

No.  I understand perfectly.  Let me put it bluntly:
SCRATCH TEAM WILL NEVER IMPLEMENT ANY SORT OF MESSAGING THEN THE SYSTEM ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.

Can I get any blunter?

my-chemical-romance wrote:

Why? just because someone's throwing this off topic and I'm telling them not too?

Actually, it was:

1) The thread had gone off-topic (It was YOU that fed the troll)

2) It was a subject which had been rejected before...

Paddle2See wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

maybe, anyone could see it, but only members of the group could post, so you could still report even if you're not allowed to post.

I see what you are saying here...it's kind of like a read-only group.  You could do something like that by making galleries so that gallery comments follow the project posting permissions!  That would be kind of cool.   Everybody could look and flag, but only people that have been granted permission can comment and post projects.

But then how would people apply to join the gallery?  I guess they could post a project comment somewhere else...but that's kind of clunky.  Maybe there would be a way to leave comments for the gallery owner that wouldn't show up in the gallery comment stream.

Ah.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.  The way I saw it was a 'chatbox' situation.  That makes so much more sense.  Maybe you could allow for a 'hidden' thing that could  only be shown by clicking on 'show requests' button?

my-chemical-romance wrote:

thank you paddle, couldn't of worded it better. As for the problem, I could go to their page and do "invite to join gallery XXX" with XXX being a list of all your private galleries (or ones you have permission to invite people to).

see what happens when someone's mature? people udnerstand and we come up with something (or clarify something) which works

You know, it's just my mind had been confused.   You misworded, or conflicted arguments causing a state of distress which made me believe you meant a 'behind the scenes' thing.  Now that that has been better.

(BTW, what you said second was immature)

Amd no, private galleries doesn't sound like a good idea.  What would be better would be galleries that you can set permissions.  And a '$_String has requested for the permissions $_String to be added for the gallery $_String message! ?

my-chemical-romance wrote:

there could be: private, only group members can post, anyone can see.
public, anyone can post
semi-public, anyone can post, but group members have a blue background on their posts

also options for invites: public, anyone can join
invite only, only group leader or certain members can invite non-members to join
join by request, non-members must request to join (which will be accepted or denied as the leader/certain members see fit)

Once again.  No private.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

why not? sometimes I want to talk to just my team, with nobody else getting in the way. people can still see what I say, and report it.

Yes, but it beats the point of scratch.  I am happy with something where they can't see, but monitor but beyond that I will not support you.