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#1 2011-10-02 22:47:41

my-chemical-romance
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Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

Ever wanted to contact someone but found that scratch is lacking severely in the social area? Ever wanted to contact your team, and just your team with the more private ideas so people can't steal them?

How about some sort of system which blocks cussing, emails, phone numbers and what-have-you, and a big report button just incase? This will allow team chats (with a project which only your team can see) and will mean games will improve a lot, with original ideas and everything planned out. Take a look at roblox, building a group place is good in that, due to the team chats and main place and look what teams have built on that.

Thanks for hearing me out, and please put something intelligent or don't put anything at all. This should be a mature discussion over it, not flaming and trolling. It's best to discuss this and to balance it properly instead of tucking it away in the corner and ignoring it.

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#2 2011-10-02 22:51:58

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

Scratch 2.0 is supposedly going to have better collab support.

And, Scratch should be lacking severely in the social area. Scratch isn't a social networking site. It's an educational site. It's not even a "games" site. But there are games on it and it is fun  smile

But the point is scratch shouldn't be social. But the collab thing could be better. Many people use something like teambox.com. It's easier that way, and no one can steal ideas.

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#3 2011-10-03 00:50:46

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

kayybee wrote:

Scratch 2.0 is supposedly going to have better collab support.

And, Scratch should be lacking severely in the social area. Scratch isn't a social networking site. It's an educational site. It's not even a "games" site. But there are games on it and it is fun  smile

But the point is scratch shouldn't be social. But the collab thing could be better. Many people use something like teambox.com. It's easier that way, and no one can steal ideas.

yes, but it's a site with the potential to have group projects, nowhere did I say social networking, just chatting and getting projects done

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#4 2011-10-03 05:24:49

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

kayybee wrote:

Scratch 2.0 is supposedly going to have better collab support.

And, Scratch should be lacking severely in the social area. Scratch isn't a social networking site. It's an educational site. It's not even a "games" site. But there are games on it and it is fun  smile

But the point is scratch shouldn't be social. But the collab thing could be better. Many people use something like teambox.com. It's easier that way, and no one can steal ideas.

yes, but it's a site with the potential to have group projects, nowhere did I say social networking, just chatting and getting projects done

The potential for morphing into a chatroom or whatever is just too high.


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#5 2011-10-03 05:36:24

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

it can just be for teams, it's hard to communicate now and it's even harder to be on a team

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#6 2011-10-03 10:06:08

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

i'd recommend using some sort of external chat / dropbox


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#7 2011-10-03 17:26:03

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

how? we can't share info

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#8 2011-10-03 19:43:38

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

how? we can't share info

Teambox.

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#9 2011-10-03 19:44:56

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

kayybee wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

how? we can't share info

Teambox.

yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

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#10 2011-10-04 00:03:52

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

kayybee wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

how? we can't share info

Teambox.

yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

You can.

Proof:My email is [removed]


And what's more, I also gave out my real name at the same time.

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#11 2011-10-04 00:17:24

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

kayybee wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

how? we can't share info

Teambox.

yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

And why not?

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#12 2011-10-04 00:30:22

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

kayybee wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

kayybee wrote:


Teambox.

yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

And why not?

Against the rules.
Anyway, all you need is the teambox username.


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#13 2011-10-04 02:12:39

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

wulfmaster wrote:

kayybee wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:


yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

And why not?

Against the rules.
Anyway, all you need is the teambox username.

still counts as sharing info, and why tell me to use something else? that defeats the point of suggestions if it's just going to be "well use something different then"

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#14 2011-10-04 04:54:44

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

helltank wrote:

my-chemical-romance wrote:

kayybee wrote:

Teambox.

yeah sure, I just give them my email and..........oh wait, I can't share my email.

You can.

Proof:My email is [removed]


And what's more, I also gave out my real name at the same time.

Read this.

The mods haven't deleted it, so it must be okay.

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#15 2011-10-04 06:46:10

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

they will when they see it, they don't look at every new post you know

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#16 2011-10-04 08:16:24

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

Ever wanted to contact someone but found that scratch is lacking severely in the social area? Ever wanted to contact your team, and just your team with the more private ideas so people can't steal them?

How about some sort of system which blocks cussing, emails, phone numbers and what-have-you, and a big report button just incase? This will allow team chats (with a project which only your team can see) and will mean games will improve a lot, with original ideas and everything planned out. Take a look at roblox, building a group place is good in that, due to the team chats and main place and look what teams have built on that.

Thanks for hearing me out, and please put something intelligent or don't put anything at all. This should be a mature discussion over it, not flaming and trolling. It's best to discuss this and to balance it properly instead of tucking it away in the corner and ignoring it.

The chatroom idea has already been rejected due to the fact that it hard to moderate and keep safe (especially considering the younger members of the site). Similar reasons can be said for why any sort of private communication system in Scratch will never be implemented. Both rejected suggestions are listed in the sticky READ THIS BEFORE SUGGESTING ANYTHING (yes, that is really the title of the thread, the sticky title was made in allcaps in an attempt to make the thread stand out on the Suggestions forum  tongue ). You can also read up on the reasons for the rejection of chatrooms here

While Scratch does need a better collaboration system, it must be kept in mind that any sort of communication on Scratch needs to open and easily monitored.  wink


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#17 2011-10-04 08:18:20

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

I mean private ones that users can control, like kicking people out, and inviting to join etc

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#18 2011-10-04 08:31:33

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

I mean private ones that users can control, like kicking people out, and inviting to join etc

If you mean user-driven monitoring, that, unfortunately, is not an option either. In one of the links I provided earlier (andresmh's thread about why chatrooms aren't allowed on Scratch), it states:

The Scratch website does not and (most likely) will never have chatrooms. We do not have the resources or the interest at this point to support the monitoring of chatrooms. User-driven monitoring is not an option for a chatroom that involves minors. We have enough work with dealing with the projects and comments on the site as it is right now.

The issues with user-driven monitoring is also the reason to why links to personal sites (especially those with things like blogs, chatroom widgets, and forums) need to be approved before anyone can post a link to them in the Scratch forums.

Keep in mind there are a lot of minors who use the Scratch site, so security and moderation is a pretty high priority. User-driven monitoring, unfortunately, doesn't necessarily equate to a well-monitored chat on the Scratch website.  hmm

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#19 2011-10-04 08:38:53

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

swear filters? anything, scratch would benifit so much from a simple chat

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#20 2011-10-04 08:55:10

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

my-chemical-romance wrote:

swear filters? anything, scratch would benifit so much from a simple chat

A swear filter in place does not guarantee that many inappropriate content will be caught (and besides, it's possible to cheat the swear filter as well).

There are a lot of benefits to having a chat, but unfortunately, they don't outweigh the negative aspects associated with it (did you read my links yet? They go into details about it a little further  wink  )


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#21 2011-10-04 09:04:41

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

Bottom Line-It's just too hard to control. It's like trying to prevent the whole of... say, Madagascar from swearing. There are just too many variables and they each have their own free will and stuff. It's just TOO DIFFICULT. Unless you have 10,000 moderators, but that would be oppressive and Scratch is a laid back community. Also remember that moderators are humans and can make mistakes...


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#22 2011-10-04 09:16:18

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

or, you seperate Madagascar into lots of different sections, and the leader of each section can kick people out of his section as he sees fit.

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#23 2011-10-04 11:18:33

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

helltank wrote:

Bottom Line-It's just too hard to control. It's like trying to prevent the whole of... say, Madagascar from swearing. There are just too many variables and they each have their own free will and stuff. It's just TOO DIFFICULT. Unless you have 10,000 moderators, but that would be oppressive and Scratch is a laid back community. Also remember that moderators are humans and can make mistakes...

This, private messages are just too hard to monitor.


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#24 2011-10-04 11:21:49

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

that's why you leave the... you know what, forget it, I end up saying it over and over again yet you ignore it and go on about moderators

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#25 2011-10-04 11:53:52

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Re: Hear me out on this one, but some sort of messaging.

I support, but only if moderators and administrators can see the messages, and there is a report button.

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