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Relative.  I think it depends on what and who you're dealing with.  For example, lying.  I feel that lying isn't right if you're lying to your teacher about "I didn't get that worksheet for homework!". However, I feel it's okay if you're in real danger.
Btw, what do you mean, for school?

Well, since I'm a Jehovah's Witness, I follow the moral law in the Bible. Of course, it doesn't talk about every possible situation, and what to do. It talks manly about the principles, leaving quite a bit up to the persons conscience.

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PlutoIsHades wrote:

Relative.  I think it depends on what and who you're dealing with.  For example, lying.  I feel that lying isn't right if you're lying to your teacher about "I didn't get that worksheet for homework!". However, I feel it's okay if you're in real danger.
Btw, what do you mean, for school?

I have a Worldview class and one of the assignments was to ask at least two people the question in the first post.

videogame9 wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

PlutoIsHades wrote:

Relative.  I think it depends on what and who you're dealing with.  For example, lying.  I feel that lying isn't right if you're lying to your teacher about "I didn't get that worksheet for homework!". However, I feel it's okay if you're in real danger.
Btw, what do you mean, for school?

I have a Worldview class and one of the assignments was to ask at least two people the question in the first post.

Well, you've asked quite a bit more than two people. 

I agree with MoreGamesNow.

  Yeah.  Me too.  However, it can really differ within even a small society.  Personally, I think it's relative, because it depends on the situation and your position in what's happening.

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

That's a pretty strict definition of absolute morality...I believe there are certain core principles that should never be disobeyed...however, because we live in a sinful world, exceptions have to be made.  So in other words, in theory, there would be absolute morality, but because of sin, there must be exceptions.

Example of an exception?

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

That's a pretty strict definition of absolute morality...I believe there are certain core principles that should never be disobeyed...however, because we live in a sinful world, exceptions have to be made.  So in other words, in theory, there would be absolute morality, but because of sin, there must be exceptions.

Sins?  I believe that moral laws are breakable if it's the right thing to do.

echs wrote:

Both. Morality has certain absolute rules. These rules have changed over time. (Murder, treason, racism)
Morality is also relative. If, for example, you do what is called a "white lie," just tell a little fib, this would not be as bad as, let's say... perjury. This is very intertwined with religion. It all comes down to whether or not you think God decides what is right and wrong, or if we decide. However, according to my beliefs, God lets us decide what is right and wrong, and yet he also tells us what is right and wrong. It's a very difficult subject to talk about. How can free will coincide with divine preordination?

I don't believe in God.  That's how it can coincide.

Not trolling.  Please know that.

MoreGamesNow wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

There are no morals, because what one man finds acceptable the other finds intolerable, and every person's view differs.

Only if you believe that all people are born with an inherent sense of morals, and only if you don't believe in self-deception.  However, things like murder, theft, etc. have always been condemned by law codes.  It could, of course, be argued that this is simply because not restricting those behaviors is self-destructive of a community.  However, organized "evil" (gladiators, executions, torture, etc.) have been condoned (and continue to be condoned) by societies, so one must believe that what a society deems moral is not MORAL.

No, you see, morals don't exist. We could just as soon consider "naughty words" unmoral as we could consider making "live human sacrifices" unmoral. And because these "morals" shift so easily, they're really not there. We are brought up to consider some things good and some bad, but it's hard to tell if it is good or bad.

echs wrote:

Both. Morality has certain absolute rules. These rules have changed over time. (Murder, treason, racism)
Morality is also relative. If, for example, you do what is called a "white lie," just tell a little fib, this would not be as bad as, let's say... perjury. This is very intertwined with religion. It all comes down to whether or not you think God decides what is right and wrong, or if we decide. However, according to my beliefs, God lets us decide what is right and wrong, and yet he also tells us what is right and wrong. It's a very difficult subject to talk about. How can free will coincide with divine preordination?

Look at it this way:

If a father gives his son the option of eating a carrot or some chocolate, the father would most likely know which one the son would rather eat (the chocolate, in my case  ). But does that mean he's taking away from the child's free will, just because he know what the outcome will be?

Another thing, God can choose to see into the future. That doesn't mean he always is. Does that answer your question?

'All is fair in love and war.'
The quotes which I will be using to explain my opinion on this may be totally against what you believe.  Forgive me, I have been taught to supply sources of my opinion, so this is where it comes to play.  Does not the quote I supplied at the beginning mean that anything is fair when there is love or war involved?  You may argue saying that there is more emotions in life than simply love, and more to life than war.  I disagree. 
Living a happy life means you love your life, and living a sad life means there is a war raging within yourself.  On the same line as me?  This means, the quote I originally supplied is with all instances of life.  "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." But does meaning it obeys the law mean it's morally right?  No.  But to Hitler, what he was doing was the right thing.  I will leave on this note before I continue to talk about nothing.  Morality is what is accepted by your social group.  Therefore, Morality is there, relative to what position of life you are in.

Qwiffles wrote:

'All is fair in love and war.'
The quotes which I will be using to explain my opinion on this may be totally against what you believe.  Forgive me, I have been taught to supply sources of my opinion, so this is where it comes to play.  Does not the quote I supplied at the beginning mean that anything is fair when there is love or war involved?  You may argue saying that there is more emotions in life than simply love, and more to life than war.  I disagree. 
Living a happy life means you love your life, and living a sad life means there is a war raging within yourself.  On the same line as me?  This means, the quote I originally supplied is with all instances of life.  "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." But does meaning it obeys the law mean it's morally right?  No.  But to Hitler, what he was doing was the right thing.  I will leave on this note before I continue to talk about nothing.  Morality is what is accepted by your social group.  Therefore, Morality is there, relative to what position of life you are in.

What you are doing is saying that anything quoted is true, or, at the very least, that that quote must be true.  Why?  Just because it is quoted?  Does that mean that "Everything that can be invented has been invented"?  A quote doesn't have to be true.  Following you logic, the earth is flat, everyone should be polytheistic, and that lightening and thunder are the wrath of the Sky god.  Just because something is stated doesn't mean it is true.

Having said that, all is not fair in love and war.  War has everything to do with unfairness - though whether fairness is immoral is questionable anyway.  The only fair war is a artificial war (like Chess), and even then, there is still the matter of different skill levels.

Additionally, laws are definitely not all moral, just as not all moral rules are laws.

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