Scratch

Trekkie210 wrote:

nickbrickmaster wrote:

People, I think, when they start Scratch, they are strongly influenced by "Remixing". Although this is good, they are under the impression that downloading a project, adding an annoying dancing thing and then uploading counts as "Remixing".

Discuss.

http://ui30.gamespot.com/637/winner_2.png
I know, right? I hate it when people get front paged for a "Remix and add a llama!!!11111" project.

(I am contributing something positive to the conversation)

I mean that and also remixing a non-remix project.

Trekkie210 wrote:

nickbrickmaster wrote:

Trekkie210 wrote:

http://ui30.gamespot.com/637/winner_2.png
I know, right? I hate it when people get front paged for a "Remix and add a llama!!!11111" project.

(I am contributing something positive to the conversation)

I mean that and also remixing a non-remix project.

There are no "Non-remix" projects. ANY project can be remix by ANYone. I'm sick of people say "I worked hard on this so no remixing". That's what Scratch was MADE FOR.

Haveyou ever had someone remix your hard-worked-on project with weird hair and a pink backround?

Trekkie210 wrote:

nickbrickmaster wrote:

Trekkie210 wrote:

There are no "Non-remix" projects. ANY project can be remix by ANYone. I'm sick of people say "I worked hard on this so no remixing". That's what Scratch was MADE FOR.

Haveyou ever had someone remix your hard-worked-on project with weird hair and a pink backround?

Yes, that's happened to me. Believe it or not, for a short time, I was famous. That's what the "Flag as Inappropriate" button is for.

That's what I did. Happened 2 or 3 times with Guitar Guy.

nickbrickmaster wrote:

People, I think, when they start Scratch, they are strongly influenced by "Remixing". Although this is good, they are under the impression that downloading a project, adding an annoying dancing thing and then uploading counts as "Remixing".

Discuss.

Or people who change the main character to something that doesn't fit at all... Anyways, it only bothers me if they got lots of views and don't give credit.

I feel the same way

Good topic 

What I think of them:

Remixing- Taking a project and either learning, improving or changing it. Also giving credit to the original creator(s).

Copying- Taking a project and not changing a single thing and reuploading it and claiming credit or not giving credit.

Believe it or not, that's how I started Scratch. For this project, I took several sprites and scripts from someone else, and I credited him.

I started by drawing two girls standing next to a "hi!" sign. it wasn't the best, but it was still pretty good 
and if your not that good at drawing but still enjoy making projects and feel you have to remix something there are always some projects that are meant to be remixed. 

rabbit1131 wrote:

rodentqween9 wrote:

I started by drawing two girls standing next to a "hi!" sign. it wasn't the best, but it was still pretty good 
and if your not that good at drawing but still enjoy making projects and feel you have to remix something there are always some projects that are meant to be remixed. 

I saw that project... It was pretty good 

thank you    my computers been broken lately though so I cant make any projects for awhile '^^ so I have to use school computers to go here (cyberschool)

Paddle2See wrote:

JJROCKER wrote:

Good topic 

What I think of them:

Remixing- Taking a project and either learning, improving or changing it. Also giving credit to the original creator(s).

Copying- Taking a project and not changing a single thing and reuploading it and claiming credit or not giving credit.

Those definitions are pretty clear...but the reality is that there are a lot of grey areas in between that are not so easy to define.  Such as when somebody just changes the color of a single sprite and shares the "new" project.  Is that a valid remix?  I would argue that in some cases, it is.  If the Scratcher is just learning the system and is experimenting with how Scratch works, that might be a valid remix.  As long as credit to the original project author is given.  But it can be very frustrating to the original author if the remix gets all the compliments and it isn't made clear by the remixer that the changes made in the remix were very minor. 

Perhaps better attribution would help relieve some of the frustration; something like an expanded automatic credit statement (100% of the scripts and 98% of the images were created by  author xxx, 2% of the images were created by author yyy).  I don't know how hard that would be to make though.

That would be neat if they had that.

Lightnin wrote:

One of the issues we've been thinking about that's related to this is the fact that the notes are automatically inherited by the remix - this causes a lot of problems and confusion. If I say "I worked really hard on this for days!", and someone remixes and changes something very small but doesn't change the notes, then they'll still say "I worked very hard on this!" - Which would give me the impression that the remixer was trying to take credit for my work, even if they weren't.

0_o never knew that before... But, does the ST plan to do anything about remixers who get all the credit for a project?

cheddargirl wrote:

kayybee wrote:

There is also a way so even when you remix (download, edit, upload) the project, it won't say "remixed from, etc.". I would say it, but copiers would just use it to not have to give credit at all.

People who intentionally cheat the remix attribution tag in order to obscure credit are usually blocked from the site.

[So anyone who is planning to cheat the remix attribution tag system to claim copied projects as yours, please don't do it].

But it's sometimes useful when you're uploading the final update of your project to clear the mess.