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456bingo123 · 2011-08-14 15:31:27

Just wondering if I can make money off of my scratch games. If so, how would I go about this?

owetre18 · 2011-08-14 15:37:23

No. That wouldn't be legal.

456bingo123 · 2011-08-14 15:46:04

owetre18 wrote:
No. That wouldn't be legal.

Isn't ok if I say 'Made by scratch by the MIT Media Lab' or whatever

technoguyx · 2011-08-14 15:50:46

I personally wouldn't buy an Scratch game since not even the most polished ones look that professional. And people would easily redistribute the game anyway, or even upload it to the Scratch website, which automatically gets the project a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license.

But then again, who exactly would buy a Scratch game?

pokemongardevoir · 2011-08-14 16:07:04

technoguyx wrote:
I personally wouldn't buy an Scratch game since not even the most polished ones look that professional.
But then again, who exactly would buy a Scratch game?

Have you ever seen summer? It's graphics are better than so many actual flash games.

456bingo123 · 2011-08-14 16:11:29

So, is it legal?

owetre18 · 2011-08-14 16:13:21

456bingo123 wrote:
So, is it legal?

Ask the ST. I don't know all of that legal mumbo-jumbo.

456bingo123 · 2011-08-14 16:14:03

owetre18 wrote:
456bingo123 wrote:
So, is it legal?
Ask the ST. I don't know all of that legal mumbo-jumbo.

How should I contact them?

owetre18 · 2011-08-14 16:15:24

456bingo123 wrote:
owetre18 wrote:
456bingo123 wrote:
So, is it legal?
Ask the ST. I don't know all of that legal mumbo-jumbo.
How should I contact them?

Using the contact us link at the bottom of the page.

henley · 2011-08-14 16:53:55

owetre18 wrote:
No. That wouldn't be legal.

Explain.

technoguyx · 2011-08-14 17:52:44

pokemongardevoir wrote:
technoguyx wrote:
I personally wouldn't buy an Scratch game since not even the most polished ones look that professional.
But then again, who exactly would buy a Scratch game?
Have you ever seen summer? It's graphics are better than so many actual flash games.

Yes, there are very few exceptions of course, but even those games look more like something you'd see in a flash game site than something you'd actually buy.

EDIT: See here. The closest to "official" answer (Paddle2See's) we could have is that you can sell the game since Scratch's license isn't against that, as long as you don't upload the game to the website since that automatically gets the project a Creative Commons license, although.

But, distributing the Scratch program itself for money wouldn't be legal, since the program is open-source AFAIK. And all .sb to .exe "converters" actually embed Scratch and the .sb file into one executable. hmm

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frizzlepuss893 · 2011-08-14 17:57:02

I think Midecah would make thousands off of his chess AI engine, which is actually very hard to beat. You know, the smartest scientists out there are still working on chess-playing robots!

jji7skyline · 2011-08-14 18:22:13

If you bundled it into an .exe and burned it into a disc, you could sell it. Also, you could put a demo on the site and then there would be no problem with licences and stuff wink

You could sell the CD online or to friends big_smile

Death_Wish · 2011-08-14 18:23:05

frizzlepuss893 wrote:
I think Midecah would make thousands off of his chess AI engine, which is actually very hard to beat. You know, the smartest scientists out there are still working on chess-playing robots!

Thousands? You do realize that no project would actually help scientists, considering this is not Flash nor Java, just Scratch. Just putting blocks together. What scientist would pay thousand for something they wouldn't necessarily be able to even use (You can only upload Scratch projects to Scratch). And anyways, you can't sell Scratch Games because of two reasons:
1.) Anybody can remix your project, as long as they give credit, without needing to pay.
2.) Nobody would buy them because you can only upload them here. It could be an inspiration though, but inspirations are free (Usually).

Magnie · 2011-08-15 11:28:00

Death_Wish wrote:
You can only upload Scratch projects to Scratch.

Actually, you can upload it to different websites ( like Mod-Share, or host it on your own website ). Just throwing that out there. smile

Death_Wish · 2011-08-15 11:56:05

Magnie wrote:
Death_Wish wrote:
You can only upload Scratch projects to Scratch.
Actually, you can upload it to different websites ( like Mod-Share, or host it on your own website ). Just throwing that out there.

But still xD
Scratch, Mod Share, etc. aren't like Kongregate. You don't get money out of uploading your game. You can't, unless you sell it. But, who would buy it? Usually, if somebody buys a game, it's to try to advertise it and win more money yet. With selling a Scratch game, they can't get ad revenue, etc., unless somebody pays them to put their add in the game. Highly doubtful, though.

Actually, now that I think of it, there is a way. But it's very complicated.

Let's say there's a company that wants to make money. They buy your game, and add a ton of advertisements in it as well. Then, they post advertisements of the project on many websites. The project could get thousand of views, and the company would get money off the advertisers.
But, anyways, the chances of that ever happening are highly doubtful.

LS97 · 2011-08-15 12:24:17

Death_Wish wrote:
And anyways, you can't sell Scratch Games because of two reasons:
1.) Anybody can remix your project, as long as they give credit, without needing to pay.
2.) Nobody would buy them because you can only upload them here. It could be an inspiration though, but inspirations are free (Usually).

Actually, about point number one, I've read the U.S. Copyright Law. It states that a copyright holder has the right to limit the distribution of the product, and infringers of copyright are liable for paying the holder all of the damages. So all you need to do is state that you may not reverse-engineer the game and you're set.

Also, I think you can still fake-compile the project into an EXE, as long as you make sure to state that you're selling the right to use the software and not its VM, which can be found for free at scratch.mit.edu. I don't know how much compiling your project would help anyway, since Jens's Scratch2Exe (for example) unpacks both Scratch and the raw project into AppData roll A little investigation and you've got the source.

456bingo123 · 2011-08-15 15:39:14

I just asked the scratch team. They said 'Yes, of course!'

kimmy123 · 2011-08-15 15:44:28

456bingo123 wrote:
I just asked the scratch team. They said 'Yes, of course!'

Really?

Death_Wish · 2011-08-15 16:20:51

456bingo123 wrote:
I just asked the scratch team. They said 'Yes, of course!'

Well, of course you can, but nobody would buy a Scratch Project.

I actually think a semi-good way for devs to earn money would be to have you be able to choose whether to have ads let's say on the sides of the pages (Appropriate ones), that way the Scratch Team could earn 50% of the money generated, and the developers get the other 50%. You could, of course, choose not to have ads (on your project), but you wouldn't earn money. It's what Kong does (Except rarely you get 50%)

This would be good, except for the fact that
1.) I'd hate playing games with ads.
2.) Somebody could make a horrible project and post it everywhere, as other things, etc., and they could earn money.

And to LS97, on Scratch if somebody makes a copy but changes a tiny bit, they pay no price, do they? If they give credit, they can do it. But, of course, they'd have to change something, like the sprites, some programming, etc.

Flait7 · 2011-08-15 16:25:19

I think selling a scratch project would be pretty silly. 'cause you can just download the project on the website for free.

woofwoof301 · 2011-08-15 17:20:31

456bingo123 wrote:
I just asked the scratch team. They said 'Yes, of course!'

Sounds extra super corny to me. Get a real Scratch Team member to ask on this thread and maybe we'll believe you.

What I don't get, is why you want to sell your games. Scratch is a learning experience, not some dirty, cheap, *, way to make money. What... wh-Why would you even want to sell your games? Gosh...

henley · 2011-08-15 17:34:46

woofwoof301 wrote:
456bingo123 wrote:
I just asked the scratch team. They said 'Yes, of course!'
Sounds extra super corny to me. Get a real Scratch Team member to ask on this thread and maybe we'll believe you.

What I don't get, is why you want to sell your games. Scratch is a learning experience, not some dirty, cheap, [mentally slow], way to make money. What... wh-Why would you even want to sell your games? Gosh...

To make money. What kind of question is that?

And if someone is willing to buy your Scratch games, then go for it!

WindowsExplorer · 2011-08-15 18:45:53

I think thats putting a sock in teh lisence, because I think it said teh mod must be free, or open source, which means you cannot sell your mod for money, so i don't think mit would let you do think, but you can still ask, because i'm not that sure big_smile

woofwoof301 · 2011-08-15 19:52:23

henley wrote:
woofwoof301 wrote:
Sounds extra super corny to me. Get a real Scratch Team member to ask on this thread and maybe we'll believe you.

What I don't get, is why you want to sell your games. Scratch is a learning experience, not some dirty, cheap, [mentally slow], way to make money. What... wh-Why would you even want to sell your games? Gosh...
To make money. What kind of question is that?

And if someone is willing to buy your Scratch games, then go for it!

Yeah, most of the Scratchers on here are 7-10 years old. I used to be, we all were. Why the heck (not a bad word) would you need to make money? Again, it's a learning experience. NOT A WAY TO MAKE MONEY!!!

Idk bout you, but I'm not buying any Scratch games. Why buy when you can go to the website, download it, and then reupload it without wiilingly giving credit? Its what half the Scratchers do anyway!!!

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