Scratch

How about the Scratch 2.0 being in flash, and there being a link to download Scratch 1.4, and you could mod Scratch 1.4 and have Scratch 2.0? Sure, it'll be missing stuff from Scratch 2.0, but it'd be more worth it because:

The Scratch Team shouldn't drop Flash, because if they drop it, well, it'll be work down the drain and the majority of the Scratchers don't mod, just program and draw, and with Flash it'll be more possible to add stuff they want.
They could make tutorials, but, well, there are already thousands of tutorials about flash... And Flash is very complicated, so even with tutorials it'll take a long time to learn. If they make a Squeak version, it'd be a waste of time they could be making Scratch 2.0. Squeakers could try to mod Scratch 1.4 after Scratch 2.0 comes out with everything Scratch 2.0 has, but I'm not sure it'd even be possible to make everything Scratch 2.0 will have on Squeak. And, well, I don't really understand your last suggestion, because the scratchers would still need to learn Flash to understand the interface and how they made it... xD

Actually, I believe the Scratch Team has already said that there will be an offline, downloadable Scratch 2.0.

...Found it, at http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Scratch2FAQ (the Scratch 2.0 FAQ)

Scratch Team wrote:

What if I do not have good internet access?

An offline version of Scratch 2.0 will be available that will allow you to create, edit, and save projects locally when you don't have internet access.

However, they were very vague on the topic of mods:

Scratch Team wrote:

What will happen to modified versions of Scratch?

We expect that Scratch "mods" based on the Scratch 1.4 Squeak source code (e.g. BYOB, Panther, Slash, and others) will continue to thrive and inspire the Scratch community.

Last edited by Greenatic (2011-08-06 12:25:21)

Greenatic wrote:

Actually, I believe the Scratch Team has already said that there will be an offline, downloadable Scratch 2.0.

...Found it, at http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Scratch2FAQ (the Scratch 2.0 FAQ)

Scratch Team wrote:

What if I do not have good internet access?

An offline version of Scratch 2.0 will be available that will allow you to create, edit, and save projects locally when you don't have internet access.

However, they were very vague on the topic of mods:

Scratch Team wrote:

What will happen to modified versions of Scratch?

We expect that Scratch "mods" based on the Scratch 1.4 Squeak source code (e.g. BYOB, Panther, Slash, and others) will continue to thrive and inspire the Scratch community.

I still think that there would be more possibilities if we modded 2.0.

WindowsExplorer wrote:

I will support! 

Thank you so much! Everyone else who's replied so far, are you supporting? Lots of other people are complaining about 2.0 modding, and anyway, it won't make any difference to people that disagree, because you can still mod scratch 1.4!

Also, having what you don't agree with is better than not having what you desperately want. Please support!

Last edited by Rosie906 (2011-08-06 15:06:15)

Mods that I expect will survive:
Panther
Snap
Bingo
Zambya
Sizzle (hopefully)
Zing
Scratch SDK compiler

Last edited by scratcher7_13 (2011-08-06 15:08:41)

Death_Wish wrote:

How about the Scratch 2.0 being in flash, and there being a link to download Scratch 1.4, and you could mod Scratch 1.4 and have Scratch 2.0? Sure, it'll be missing stuff from Scratch 2.0, but it'd be more worth it because:

The Scratch Team shouldn't drop Flash, because if they drop it, well, it'll be work down the drain and the majority of the Scratchers don't mod, just program and draw, and with Flash it'll be more possible to add stuff they want.
They could make tutorials, but, well, there are already thousands of tutorials about flash... And Flash is very complicated, so even with tutorials it'll take a long time to learn. If they make a Squeak version, it'd be a waste of time they could be making Scratch 2.0. Squeakers could try to mod Scratch 1.4 after Scratch 2.0 comes out with everything Scratch 2.0 has, but I'm not sure it'd even be possible to make everything Scratch 2.0 will have on Squeak. And, well, I don't really understand your last suggestion, because the scratchers would still need to learn Flash to understand the interface and how they made it... xD

Right. I know I'm replying to everyone and there's a long list of my posts at the bottom at the moment. But I wanna make this clear.
I don't want to have to mod 1.4. 2.0 is more exciting, and modding it is making everything even better. Modding 1.4 is modding the second best version of scratch, and no-ones gonna really look at it. Also, a lot of the time, modding 1.4 is like filling in the things that already exist in 2.0.

Please make it clear at the bottom of your post if you support! I don't know whether to put some of you on the list or not!

EDIT: Actually, if you've given a suggestion, I'll put you down if that's ok with you.

Last edited by Rosie906 (2011-08-06 15:23:06)

support!

I think that some mods will die, such as line and teleport. However, most good mods have been created by people eager to learn. Such people would read all about flash to keep their mod alive. I, for one, think that Kitcat will survive because I have learned lots of HTML, CSS, php, JavaScript, and mysql in less than a month. I am continuing to learn, as my next thing is flash to make games. I think that such other people will be the same way and learn flash. I support.

I believe everyone learned Squeak and helped each other learn to code in it, why can't you do the same in Flash? I'm sure they will code it in a way that can easily be modified by other Scratchers that are willing to learn.

I think I'm willing to bet that Jens will make another tutorial on modding Scratch 2.0, like when he made his "Flip" project teaching how to make a block in Scratch using the "Flip" block as an example, and then everyone can move on to Flash.

If you can learn Squeak, I'm sure you can learn Flash, and many other languages. 

I don't want to be on the supporters list.

Magnie wrote:

I believe everyone learned Squeak and helped each other learn to code in it, why can't you do the same in Flash? I'm sure they will code it in a way that can easily be modified by other Scratchers that are willing to learn.

I couldn't have said it better myself. As I mentioned before (but probably nobody read it because it's too long), Squeak and Flash are still pretty similar. Modding Scratch doesn't always mean delving into the language itself, but rather using the 'mini-frameworks' that the team put up (like the blockspec structure) and using that.

gbear605 wrote:

Rosie906 wrote:

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS:

We could...

- Forget the flash idea altogether, although they're probably pretty far into it at this point. As of scratch day 2011, they had already recreated scratch 1.4, minus the drawing part
- Talk the scratch team into making video tutorials of flash They wouldn't
- Get the team to make a squeak version They wouldn't
- Have a collab, where squeakers could contribute bits of code to a forum topic, and help the scratch team to recreate 2.0 possible, but why should we
- Or wait till it's done, get the scratch team to put up all the images they used for the interface, and we could make scratch ourselves. Then we could send the finished product to the scratch team, and they could look over it, and do anything complex that we did wrong or left out. that the previous suggestion, and the sourcecode will be available for 2.0, in fact, if I had adobe flash professional, I could be modding it right now 
- Put a download link to 1.4 on the website, and mod Scratch 1.4 instead. Thats going to be able, but thats not really different than what we are currently doing.
- Make patch for scratch 1.4 with the added blocks. But just use scratch 2.0 then

The whole reason they are remaking it, is because squeak isn't powerful/fast enough.

they are making a squeak version for people with slow internet.