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#1 2011-07-21 12:48:34

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unfair front page

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.


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#2 2011-07-21 12:52:23

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Re: unfair front page

The front page is a tricky situation. Yes, it's very often the same people and/or the same types of projects. There are some suggestions for ways to vary the front page, such as randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc. Other than that, there isn't really too much that can be done.


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#3 2011-07-21 16:59:42

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Re: unfair front page

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc.

Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

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#4 2011-07-21 17:07:10

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Re: unfair front page

coinman wrote:

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.

I agree!


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#5 2011-07-21 17:38:49

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Re: unfair front page

silentslayer7 wrote:

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc.

Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

Have you voted for it? If not, click on my sig.  smile


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#6 2011-07-21 17:45:21

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Re: unfair front page

scmb1 wrote:

silentslayer7 wrote:

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc.

Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

Have you voted for it? If not, click on my sig.  smile

I have now. I like the sig, and I could actually read the whol thing :DDDDD Oh yeah can you join Falling Brick Productions? Click MY sig pic.

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#7 2011-07-21 18:10:44

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Re: unfair front page

silentslayer7 wrote:

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc.

Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

I agree with you. I've given a vote to the idea on the Suggestions page as well.  smile


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#8 2011-07-21 18:11:43

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Re: unfair front page

gettysburg11 wrote:

silentslayer7 wrote:

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc.

Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

I agree with you. I've given a vote to the idea on the Suggestions page as well.  smile

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#9 2011-07-21 18:34:31

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Re: unfair front page

silentslayer7 wrote:

scmb1 wrote:

silentslayer7 wrote:


Dude you don't know how long I've wanted that XD

Have you voted for it? If not, click on my sig.  smile

I have now. I like the sig, and I could actually read the whol thing :DDDDD Oh yeah can you join Falling Brick Productions? Click MY sig pic.

Thanks!  smile 

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#10 2011-07-21 18:56:10

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Re: unfair front page

scmb1 wrote:

silentslayer7 wrote:

scmb1 wrote:


Have you voted for it? If not, click on my sig.  smile

I have now. I like the sig, and I could actually read the whol thing :DDDDD Oh yeah can you join Falling Brick Productions? Click MY sig pic.

Thanks!  smile 

I'm afraid I can't join your company now-- I'm rather busy.

Oh, that's ok.


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#11 2011-07-21 19:33:07

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Re: unfair front page

coinman wrote:

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.

<snip>

I believe people should be rewarded based on ability.  If you make a popular project, you DESERVE to be on the front page. Period.

My latest project never made it to the Top Loved line.  It stalled out at #5 and therefore was never shown.  I totally deserved what I got.  Had I made a better project I would have been rewarded with front page status.  As it is, different people made better projects than me and got shown... AS THEY SHOULD HAVE!

If you want on the front page, MAKE BETTER PROJECTS to get famous, then make more projects.  You'll get there.  It takes HARD WORK.  <snip>  We can't just give you fame for free, you need to earn it.

<snip>

EDIT: I took out the parts that might be considered offensive.

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#12 2011-07-21 19:49:32

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Re: unfair front page

BoltBait wrote:

coinman wrote:

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.

<snip>

I believe people should be rewarded based on ability.  If you make a popular project, you DESERVE to be on the front page. Period.

My latest project never made it to the Top Loved line.  It stalled out at #5 and therefore was never shown.  I totally deserved what I got.  Had I made a better project I would have been rewarded with front page status.  As it is, different people made better projects than me and got shown... AS THEY SHOULD HAVE!

If you want on the front page, MAKE BETTER PROJECTS to get famous, then make more projects.  You'll get there.  It takes HARD WORK.  <snip>  We can't just give you fame for free, you need to earn it.

<snip>

EDIT: I took out the parts that might be considered offensive.

well put.

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#13 2011-07-21 20:00:30

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Re: unfair front page

I know there's a wait to be featured (If you get frontpaged, excluding newest projects and sds, you need to wait 6 months before you can be featured)
But I agree with the top loved/viewed/remixed.

I always see famous peoples stuff up there, like, lets say bobbyf makes a new project. Boom! Frontpaged almost instantly. They should make you wait 3 months until you're on the page again!


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#14 2011-07-21 20:28:16

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Re: unfair front page

If you don't want to see someone on the front page, don't view their project.

If enough people follow ^^this^^ the problem will fix itself.


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#15 2011-07-22 11:24:08

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Re: unfair front page

pokemongardevoir wrote:

I know there's a wait to be featured (If you get frontpaged, excluding newest projects and sds, you need to wait 6 months before you can be featured)
But I agree with the top loved/viewed/remixed.

I always see famous peoples stuff up there, like, lets say bobbyf makes a new project. Boom! Frontpaged almost instantly. They should make you wait 3 months until you're on the page again!

3 months is a little much. Maybe you should wait a couple weeks or, as coinman said, 1 month. Or like me, Gettysburg11, and scmb1 said, alternate from the top 10.


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#16 2011-07-22 12:49:07

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Re: unfair front page

BoltBait wrote:

coinman wrote:

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.

<snip>

I believe people should be rewarded based on ability.  If you make a popular project, you DESERVE to be on the front page. Period.

My latest project never made it to the Top Loved line.  It stalled out at #5 and therefore was never shown.  I totally deserved what I got.  Had I made a better project I would have been rewarded with front page status.  As it is, different people made better projects than me and got shown... AS THEY SHOULD HAVE!

If you want on the front page, MAKE BETTER PROJECTS to get famous, then make more projects.  You'll get there.  It takes HARD WORK.  <snip>  We can't just give you fame for free, you need to earn it.

<snip>

EDIT: I took out the parts that might be considered offensive.

If you say that people should be rewarded only based on ability, that implies equal opportunity for recognition, don't you think? The problem with the front page presented in this topic is that people who get their projects on the front page get the most attention from the community, and so their next project has a higher chance of getting on the front page than a different project of equal quality, but which was made by a person who isn't on the front page.

Featured projects are a pretty good way to deal with this sort of "monopoly", but some people are starting to think that it could have been done better (especially now that Featured projects have lost the sort of respect they received earlier).


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#17 2011-07-22 13:06:09

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Re: unfair front page

MyRedNeptune wrote:

BoltBait wrote:

coinman wrote:

there should be like a 1 month wait before you can get on the front page again. because one person makes a good project it gets front paged some new scratcher makes a good project it gets like 4 views.

<snip>

I believe people should be rewarded based on ability.  If you make a popular project, you DESERVE to be on the front page. Period.

My latest project never made it to the Top Loved line.  It stalled out at #5 and therefore was never shown.  I totally deserved what I got.  Had I made a better project I would have been rewarded with front page status.  As it is, different people made better projects than me and got shown... AS THEY SHOULD HAVE!

If you want on the front page, MAKE BETTER PROJECTS to get famous, then make more projects.  You'll get there.  It takes HARD WORK.  <snip>  We can't just give you fame for free, you need to earn it.

<snip>

EDIT: I took out the parts that might be considered offensive.

If you say that people should be rewarded only based on ability, that implies equal opportunity for recognition, don't you think? The problem with the front page presented in this topic is that people who get their projects on the front page get the most attention from the community, and so their next project has a higher chance of getting on the front page than a different project of equal quality, but which was made by a person who isn't on the front page.

Featured projects are a pretty good way to deal with this sort of "monopoly", but some people are starting to think that it could have been done better (especially now that Featured projects have lost the sort of respect they received earlier).

Well, I think an argument for the current system is that while the people who are currently more popular do have an advantage in terms of recognition and initial views, they had to start somewhere too. They earned their popularity by posting projects that people enjoyed and slowly got more and more recognized.

Granted, it was probably easier to get noticed when Scratch's community was smaller, but I think that the point still stands.

On a side note, the current moderators really come out of the woodwork when the elections roll around, don't they?  tongue


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#18 2011-07-22 14:06:09

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Re: unfair front page

We all want to be on the Front Page... (Iv'e been on the front page) But, we can't do anything about it... mabey get more popular by posting fourms, and Commenting alot... idk but sorry guys

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#19 2011-07-22 15:01:29

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Re: unfair front page

Harakou wrote:

On a side note, the current moderators really come out of the woodwork when the elections roll around, don't they?  tongue

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#20 2011-07-22 15:32:32

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Re: unfair front page

MyRedNeptune wrote:

Harakou wrote:

On a side note, the current moderators really come out of the woodwork when the elections roll around, don't they?  tongue

>.>..............................

.....Are you questioning my immortality? >.> No cookies for you then. You little rebel. >.>

It's okay, I have cake.  tongue


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#21 2011-07-22 17:17:03

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Re: unfair front page

Harakou wrote:

MyRedNeptune wrote:

Harakou wrote:

On a side note, the current moderators really come out of the woodwork when the elections roll around, don't they?  tongue

>.>..............................

.....Are you questioning my immortality? >.> No cookies for you then. You little rebel. >.>

It's okay, I have cake.  tongue

Liar. >.>

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#22 2011-07-24 14:30:01

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Re: unfair front page

Can I haz cookies?

ON T: You can't get to the moon in a day. Neither can you the front page.  smile

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#23 2011-07-25 11:51:28

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Re: unfair front page

gettysburg11 wrote:

randomize the projects shown on the front page among the top 10 viewed, loved, etc. .

can't they just take random projects in general and put them on the front page

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#24 2011-07-25 11:55:19

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Re: unfair front page

You know? I've been preaching my idea of the perfect front page forever and no one listens.

Instead of making it 4 days to get on the front page and stay on til those days are up, make it however long and only be allowed to stay on a couple days. That way unpopular people could take a while to get up there since they're unnoticed but still get the attention they deserve. Hard to explain . . . .


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#25 2011-07-25 11:59:41

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Re: unfair front page

soupoftomato wrote:

You know? I've been preaching my idea of the perfect front page forever and no one listens.

Instead of making it 4 days to get on the front page and stay on til those days are up, make it however long and only be allowed to stay on a couple days. That way unpopular people could take a while to get up there since they're unnoticed but still get the attention they deserve. Hard to explain . . . .

i agree i always see the same projects up everytime im on scratch


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