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Lucario621 wrote:

I remember at the scratch meetup there was this guy wanting me to join this group/company/organization called "Operation Waffles". I said "I might" even though well...I wouldn't with a bunch of noobs. So later I remembered about this organization, so I searched it and I went to the Gallery and I read the description.

"Our objective is to tac as many projects "waffles" so on the front page the waffle tag is big and bold. ANIMATION YOUR DOWNFALL WILL COME! (and music too!)".

So at first I thought is was a group of people as usual, making projects. But once I found that I was wrong, I immediatly started messaging them.

I told them that tagging projects "waffles" was disrespectul and an unhelpful action to do to the scratch community. Well as you could expect, somebody attempted to fight for their rights, so they said "Well at the same time the animation tag isn't that helpful either." Wrong. I said "Actually it does. Say one person is an artist/sprite person and he or she likes to look at others' animations. So by typing animation he or she can find more projects that fit her interest and see new ones and old ones that she may have not seen" . So he later said I'm evil and stuff and he asked "Are you flagging our tags?". Well that was not true so I said "No but thats a good idea XD. Though I will not flag the tag if it's related to waffles" Though thats still kind of rare. Anyway what I'm saying to the moderators and Scratch team is, do you think these people are really doing a good thing?(Note: These are not actual quotes, these are just what they basically said)

They're bored and unmotivated so they're creating delusions of omnipotence through excessive spamming. Done.

Lucario621 wrote:

big-bang wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

I remember at the scratch meetup there was this guy wanting me to join this group/company/organization called "Operation Waffles". I said "I might" even though well...I wouldn't with a bunch of noobs. So later I remembered about this organization, so I searched it and I went to the Gallery and I read the description.

"Our objective is to tac as many projects "waffles" so on the front page the waffle tag is big and bold. ANIMATION YOUR DOWNFALL WILL COME! (and music too!)".

So at first I thought is was a group of people as usual, making projects. But once I found that I was wrong, I immediatly started messaging them.

I told them that tagging projects "waffles" was disrespectul and an unhelpful action to do to the scratch community. Well as you could expect, somebody attempted to fight for their rights, so they said "Well at the same time the animation tag isn't that helpful either." Wrong. I said "Actually it does. Say one person is an artist/sprite person and he or she likes to look at others' animations. So by typing animation he or she can find more projects that fit her interest and see new ones and old ones that she may have not seen" . So he later said I'm evil and stuff and he asked "Are you flagging our tags?". Well that was not true so I said "No but thats a good idea XD. Though I will not flag the tag if it's related to waffles" Though thats still kind of rare. Anyway what I'm saying to the moderators and Scratch team is, do you think these people are really doing a good thing?(Note: These are not actual quotes, these are just what they basically said)

They're bored and unmotivated so they're creating delusions of omnipotence through excessive spamming. Done.

Lol since when did you have such an ununderstandable vocabulary? Anyway it doesn't help and I think their doing a bad thing.

Translation: They have nothing else to do except act like jerks.
(Yes, I can activate an impenetrable vocabulary at will, which deters idiots and ergo wafflers. LOL)

Zelda123 wrote:

What they're doing is pointless and increasing entropy. It creates more work for other people, having to delete all of the unrelated tags. It is not helpful at all. For example, if you wanted to find a project that was really about waffles, you would never find it with the search bar, because hundreds of irrevelant projects would appear.

I know, that means we should get angry at them!

ebilgobo wrote:

no more waffles! i tagged my first project waffles myself, i admit, but that was beacuse i thought it was some kind of traditon. now i just find it dumb, and will disable tagging if any of my projects get waffles. helpfull tags should be the only tags.

You shouldn't have to disable tagging because of one tag, just delete the tag with the little [X] at first, and if rapidly continues, then it would be a suitable solution.

big-bang wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

big-bang wrote:

They're bored and unmotivated so they're creating delusions of omnipotence through excessive spamming. Done.

Lol since when did you have such an ununderstandable vocabulary? Anyway it doesn't help and I think their doing a bad thing.

Translation: They have nothing else to do except act like jerks.
(Yes, I can activate an impenetrable vocabulary at will, which deters idiots and ergo wafflers. LOL)

WE ARE NOT JERKS! It's just for fun! Nobody ever really wants to see waffles projects anyways, and we do "waffles" and they can do "waffle".

Billybob-Mario, big-bang,

Please, cool down.

Nobody's a jerk here. Tagging projects with "waflles" and making fun out of it is wrong, calling people "jerks" is wrong too.

This is meant to be a friendly place, please do not be mean and do not "shout" (That's what capitalized characters ean on the web...)

You huys can have a discussion, that's OK, but please son't call others "jerks"...

Thanks, JSO

So that's where all the "waffles" tags came from!  I've been wondering. 

Okay, so is it wrong to put a random tag on projects simply for your own amusement?  Does it do any harm?  I will use (or probably abuse - I'm an Engineer not a Philosopher) Kantian logic here.

Kant (a famous German philosopher) put forth the theory that the way to tell if an action was right or wrong was to visualize what would happen if EVERYBODY did it.  If that would lead to a situation that was clearly bad, then the action was bad.  Now, let's visualize what would happen if everybody decided to use the tag system for their own entertainment by putting up random tags.  The result would be a useless tagging system.  So my conclusion is that the waffles tags are not a good thing - sorry you wafflers!

Billybob-Mario wrote:

[blocks]<when green flag clicked><forever if><( Lucario621 <=> a jerk )><broadcast[ Lucario621 blowing up]> [/blocks]

Dude you could get flagged off scratch for what you just wrote. Not just that your account would be banned, but also your ip address which means you couldn't make another account on scratch at all.



Also, your waffle thing is not helpful at all. Think of yourself as being a best friend to some kid that just made an amazing animation using waffles. You forget the name, so you type in waffles as the tags because you know he tagged it with waffles. UH OH! you can't find his project anywhere because of all those pointless waffle tags. Well, now I am going to start flagging all of your tags.


Example:
<forever>
<if> bosox sees a waffles tag
<broadcast[ flag it cause it is a rude thing tagging everything with waffles

the only thing they do is not just tag stuff i dont even tag stuff the points not to spam because were bored its to bring us together and share a love of waffles im not saying that your wrong but saying were jerks who are bored is a horible thing to say!

though i do think we should stop tagging but to call us all jerk and mean and bored well 2 wrongs dont make a right but 2 rights make a gallery that does not tag but a gallery of fun and waffles

Last edited by thrash240 (2009-01-03 19:03:47)

I like the part about creating projects about waffles in the gallery, but tagging everything waffles? noooooooooo...

Just to emphasize what most posters have already made clear:

Is tagging everything Waffles GOOD or BAD?

Good (1): billybob-mario

Bad (6): lucario621, bhz, big-bang, zelda123, ihaveamac, JSO

Score 6 to 1. thrash240, you seem to be half and half. Please explain more thorough.

Last edited by bhz (2009-01-03 20:56:05)

Waffles are good in actuality, but tagging everything likewise? No. If you waffle just because you want to spam other people's meaningful work out of spite, I do find that offensive. If anybody was insulted by this debate, sorry. I do not like Scratch as a spam portal.