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#1 2008-12-04 17:12:59

boinoinoi
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Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

I've noticed that there are a bunch of topics that sort of repeat, like webpage improvements and scratch additions as a general topic.

So I thought, why don't we have a sticky for each of these topics? I hate to see my suggestions drift to the bottom of the page with the topics no one responded to.

An idea would be to split up suggestions into "schratch suggestions" and "webpage suggestions", because there aren't really any other kind of suggestions here.

I dunno, just an idea I had.


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#2 2008-12-04 19:03:50

Paddle2See
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

It's a good idea!  You're right...the same suggestions keep coming up again and again and some good ideas are getting buried.  I don't know about splitting the forum...but I will start to take a look at trying to put more order in that Forum.


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#3 2008-12-05 09:25:27

andresmh
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

What if we were to use a service like these:
http://initech.uservoice.com/
http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter/products/twitter_twitter


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#4 2008-12-05 09:52:43

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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

andresmh wrote:

What if we were to use a service like these:
http://initech.uservoice.com/
http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter/products/twitter_twitter

That would be very cool!  I really like the first one where you get a fixed number of votes that you can "spend" on the features you would like to see implemented!


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#5 2008-12-05 11:25:25

MartinWollenweber
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

My "Yes" to most opinions and suggestions above!
Please:
Split the suggestion forum in Scratch and ScratchR!
Implement a "vote" option for suggestions!

Additional: Implement a "vote to make a thread sticky"-option

@Andres: You invited me to take part in http://www.assembla.com/spaces/dashboard/index/scratchr  but  I was a bit overwhelmed of the quantity of open tickets there: I don't want to create tickets for things already in progress and still have no overview (I'm also a bit slow 'cause my native language is not english but german). Should I make ticket about the suggestions we discussed here and at http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11826 ?

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#6 2008-12-09 15:33:41

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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

Martin, feel free to post suggestions in assembla that are very well explained, preferably with mockups. You're right, there is a lot of stuff there. I am not sure if there is a way to better organize it. If you know of any PHP developer who wants to volunteer with us please let me know  smile


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#7 2008-12-09 15:35:36

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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

OK. So I'd be interested in creating a space for Scratch on
either http://uservoice.com or http://getsatisfaction.com to collect suggestions about the website and the application. Maybe two different spaces?

I need your to help me decide which one to use. Play with them a bit and express your opinion.

One challenge is that people will have to create YET another account to participate on that space.


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#8 2008-12-09 15:55:54

jamie
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

I use Uservoice for the place I work and like it alot. Never heard of the other one (GetSatisfaction).


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#9 2008-12-09 21:46:35

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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

For the uservoice idea, it would be good to have a discussion section for each idea, and a section of ideas that do not work.


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#10 2008-12-10 03:55:11

MartinWollenweber
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

Hi Andres

andresmh wrote:

Martin, feel free to post suggestions in assembla that are very well explained, preferably with mockups. You're right, there is a lot of stuff there. I am not sure if there is a way to better organize it.

I will do so. It's much better organized in www.assembla.com than here :-)

andresmh wrote:

If you know of any PHP developer who wants to volunteer with us please let me know  smile

I don't know one and I can't do it myself: I'm in Scratch for hobby and for education of my and others kids. I have been in Smalltalk (ParcPlace VisualWorks 10 years ago) and thinking of restarting it with Squeak-Smalltalk because of Scratch: Old love for Smalltalk never dies :-) In business I'm selling ERP-Systems (MS Dynamics NAV). But I will have a look for PHP developers  here in Germany, that could be interested to help you with ScratchR. It's also good to tell it here as often as possible: Who loves Scratch, knows PHP, and want's to help Andres with ScratchR ???? :-)

andresmh wrote:

OK. So I'd be interested in creating a space for Scratch on
either http://uservoice.com or http://getsatisfaction.com to collect suggestions about the website and the application. Maybe two different spaces?

You are testing a lot of things, what I appreciate. To use something like "uservoice" seems really an interesting idea, because they seem to do this specialist userinput-platform-job very professional. Also the use of www.assembla.com is very good, because of the professional ticket system. But this "best beed"-strategy of specialized platforms for everything has also a big disadvantage: It parts the standard-user, professional-user, helper, and builder and their input in more an more different streams. In contrast with a "all in one"-strategy (That could be a more an more professional ScratchR including all special features of the platforms above) you wouldn't have such sophisticated tools, but hold everything connected together. The thing is: Once you started leading parts of the the Scratch-community to different new platforms, it's very difficult to reunion it later, because all the input that was made in old left platforms will be lost.
You could also say: Test everything, start everything - the content we produce is in any case old and worthless in a view month, because things a changing so fast.  That has a point and there is an other other pro-argument you: With the actual platform of this forum old discussions seems to vanish and be forgotten so fast (cause certain matters a start again an again without looking at the history), that it gives you no advantage to collect it at one place: A better organized shorttime-platform - evan as a test for a few month - has perhaps a higher value, than a bad organized longterm-platform (like this forum today).

What do you think an what's your strategy?

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#11 2008-12-11 12:29:36

andresmh
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Re: Things that should be stickys in the suggestion forums. Or something.

Since I have limited time my strategy is to do what is the most helpful and requires the least amount of time investment  smile

So I guess the options are:
a) Some volunteer implements a more integrated  receptacle for suggestions.
b) We continue using the forums for suggestions
c) We move to something like uservoice.

Assembla is better suited for a select number of people to submit bugs and features there. I wouldn't want to open assembla to everyone  smile


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