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#1 2011-06-20 13:26:20

MaxtheWeirdo
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Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

Here's a petition for those of us who side with Namco, who think it is perfectly fair for Namco to ask the Scratch Team to take the project down.
Supporters: (5)
MaxtheWeirdo
scratch_yoshi
somelia
Star_the_Fox
Aidan

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#2 2011-06-20 13:27:24

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

Give me 10 reasons to support.

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#3 2011-06-20 13:28:41

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

He has total right to use copyrighted stuff, because Scratch has some educational thing that allows it.


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#4 2011-06-20 13:30:54

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

werdna123 wrote:

Give me 10 reasons to support.

Give me 15 reasons not to support.

@topic post: I'm in, add me.


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#5 2011-06-20 13:31:05

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

Fair Use.
Namco had no right. Copyright doesn't apply here. It's eduactional nature lets it have fair use.
Also, IT WAS A LITTLE KID. Do you walk up to a baby and yank it's bottle away and yell at it? No. You don't.


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#6 2011-06-20 13:32:33

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Fair Use.
Namco had no right. Copyright doesn't apply here. It's eduactional nature lets it have fair use.
Also, IT WAS A LITTLE KID. Do you walk up to a baby and yank it's bottle away and yell at it? No. You don't.

Better example:

Do you snatch a little kid's drawing of pac-man away when he's showing it to his friends?


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#7 2011-06-20 13:34:36

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

SeptimusHeap wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Fair Use.
Namco had no right. Copyright doesn't apply here. It's eduactional nature lets it have fair use.
Also, IT WAS A LITTLE KID. Do you walk up to a baby and yank it's bottle away and yell at it? No. You don't.

Better example:

Do you snatch a little kid's drawing of pac-man away when he's showing it to his friends?

Even BETTER example:

If you see someone has copied or forged something of yours, do you snatch it? YES.


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#8 2011-06-20 13:37:42

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

scratch_yoshi wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

Earthboundjeff wrote:

Fair Use.
Namco had no right. Copyright doesn't apply here. It's eduactional nature lets it have fair use.
Also, IT WAS A LITTLE KID. Do you walk up to a baby and yank it's bottle away and yell at it? No. You don't.

Better example:

Do you snatch a little kid's drawing of pac-man away when he's showing it to his friends?

Even BETTER example:

If you see someone has copied or forged something of yours, do you snatch it? YES.

It was nothing like the actual game.

It's protected under Fair Use, can't you understand that?

It's a KID. If a kid makes a drawing of pac-man, and you were Nomco, would you steal it?

*SIGH* 8 year olds.


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#9 2011-06-20 13:37:59

MaxtheWeirdo
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

werdna123 wrote:

Give me 10 reasons to support.

1. Read Title 17, Section 107 of US Copyright Law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 It says in 4 that the project can't interfere with the marketability of the original. Why buy Pac-Man if you can play a dozen clones for free?
2. Wouldn’t you want to be able to make money off your creation? They can’t make money if a clone is out there.
3. Many people say ”It’s educational, it’s fine”. Learning to program on your own is fine, but once you release it, it’s entertainment. It’s no longer just in a classroom.
4.Many people also say ”But there are dozens of clones out there!” Thing is, that means nothing to the law. A single infringement lessens their ability to fight oher infringents. The existence of one aks it appear that they condone it. And you can’t know that they aren’t working to take down other clones.
5. The portion of the work matters. The project was what Pac-Man is: A Game. It’s not fan-fiction, or an animation, it’s a game.
More reasons coming soon...


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#10 2011-06-20 13:38:49

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Give me 10 reasons to support.

1. Read Title 17, Section 107 of US Copyright Law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 It says in 4 that the project can't interfere with the marketability of the original. Why buy Pac-Man if you can play a dozen clones for free?
2. Wouldn’t you want to be able to make money off your creation? They can’t make money if a clone is out there.
3. Many people say ”It’s educational, it’s fine”. Learning to program on your own is fine, but once you release it, it’s entertainment. It’s no longer just in a classroom.
4.Many people also say ”But there are dozens of clones out there!” Thing is, that means nothing to the law. A single infringement lessens their ability to fight oher infringents. The existence of one aks it appear that they condone it. And you can’t know that they aren’t working to take down other clones.
5. The portion of the work matters. The project was what Pac-Man is: A Game. It’s not fan-fiction, or an animation, it’s a game.
More reasons coming soon...

Protected under Fair Use.


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#11 2011-06-20 13:40:51

somelia
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

Here's a petition for those of us who side with Namco, who think it is perfectly fair for Namco to ask the Scratch Team to take the project down.

Supporters: (1)
MaxtheWeirdo

I'm actually kind of in the middle on this - wait, MaxTheWeirdo?

You're back! The TBG is kind of dead though, and the RPG fall was brought on my argument with Star. F&I has died.

But anyway...yeah, they should have warned the kid first. But you're right on this one, actually if it was for his own personal entertainment then it would have been OK.

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#12 2011-06-20 13:41:27

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:
Scratch projects aren’t protected when released. It’s reased for entertainment online.


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#13 2011-06-20 13:42:24

somelia
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:
Scratch projects aren’t protected when released. It’s reased for entertainment online.

Yep. I totally agree.

Um, wave, if you're reading this, take me off the other petition.

And put me on this one.

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#14 2011-06-20 13:42:27

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:
Scratch projects aren’t protected when released. It’s reased for entertainment online.

Prove it.

And how do you get the cool font?


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#15 2011-06-20 13:43:07

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

SeptimusHeap wrote:

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

werdna123 wrote:

Give me 10 reasons to support.

1. Read Title 17, Section 107 of US Copyright Law here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 It says in 4 that the project can't interfere with the marketability of the original. Why buy Pac-Man if you can play a dozen clones for free?
2. Wouldn’t you want to be able to make money off your creation? They can’t make money if a clone is out there.
3. Many people say ”It’s educational, it’s fine”. Learning to program on your own is fine, but once you release it, it’s entertainment. It’s no longer just in a classroom.
4.Many people also say ”But there are dozens of clones out there!” Thing is, that means nothing to the law. A single infringement lessens their ability to fight oher infringents. The existence of one aks it appear that they condone it. And you can’t know that they aren’t working to take down other clones.
5. The portion of the work matters. The project was what Pac-Man is: A Game. It’s not fan-fiction, or an animation, it’s a game.
More reasons coming soon...

Protected under Fair Use.

Yep. It said directly in the link you used:

"Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

So ha.


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#16 2011-06-20 13:43:43

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

Because it's on the Scratch website, it's protected.


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#17 2011-06-20 13:49:54

MaxtheWeirdo
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

It was uploaded to be vieed by others as a game.
And I don’t know how I got the font.

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#18 2011-06-20 13:50:49

SeptimusHeap
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

It was uploaded to be vieed by others as a game.

You can't know his intentions unless you know him. Please actually read the links we post.

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#19 2011-06-20 13:52:07

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

What’s the uploader’s username?


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#20 2011-06-20 13:53:30

somelia
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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

What’s the uploader’s username?

124scratch.

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#21 2011-06-20 13:53:55

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

It got removed.

It was NOTHING close to the actual game, it was a kid, and Fair Use.

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#22 2011-06-20 13:54:22

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

It was uploaded to be vieed by others as a game.
And I don’t know how I got the font.

I didn't see the project, but I highly doubt it was exact enough to be viewed as a clone, considering Scratch is really simple software. The day someone could create an exact Pac-Man clone in the current version of Scratch will be the day Bill O'Reily forms a screamo band.


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#23 2011-06-20 13:54:25

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

What’s the uploader’s username?

How did you make text like that?


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#24 2011-06-20 13:55:45

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

SeptimusHeap wrote:

It got removed.

It was NOTHING close to the actual game, it was a kid, and Fair Use.

FAIR USE
















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#25 2011-06-20 13:56:52

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Re: Those of Us Who Side With Namco: A petition

sanddude wrote:

SeptimusHeap wrote:

It got removed.

It was NOTHING close to the actual game, it was a kid, and Fair Use.

FAIR USE
















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