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brettman98 wrote:

svinnik wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

Allowing political topics is going to far, as it would just end up in an argumentative mess if some of the less mature people were allowed to debate politics.

No, it's not. You can't shield kids from this.

You can't shield kids from knowing the government's a gaggle of idiots? I think you can, they would learn later anyway.

So the intent here is to withhold the truth (as you say it) from young children?

Vurb wrote:

Because I honestly hope you do not poison this unbiased community with one-sided arguments, and especially wrong ones.

First find me an unbiased individual before we start talking about an "unbiased community."

Furthermore it is a necessary skill to discern truth from lie, something children must learn to develop on their own.

Now children's own parents have biased and influenced them far more than any forum could. Surely children speak of politics and religion at home...

Zelda123 wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

svinnik wrote:

No, it's not. You can't shield kids from this.

You can't shield kids from knowing the government's a gaggle of idiots? I think you can, they would learn later anyway.

So the intent here is to withhold the truth (as you say it) from young children?

yes. you wouldn't show young children murder, or violence, or war, when they were young would you? these things come in time. scratch isn't the place to discuss politics. I mean, if you want to discuss politics so much, go on youtube or start your own forum 

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Zelda123 wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

Zelda123 wrote:

So the intent here is to withhold the truth (as you say it) from young children?

yes. you wouldn't show young children murder, or violence, or war, when they were young would you? these things come in time. scratch isn't the place to discuss politics. I mean, if you want to discuss politics so much, go on youtube or start your own forum 

There is certainly a place for parents to discuss death and war with children. If the time, place, and reason is right, murder, violence, and war can be discussed - here the parents' wisdom is taken into account.

There is also a gruesome aspect to showing pictures of murder and death - an aspect incomparable to that of mere politics.

It is not that I desire to discuss politics, but the fact that it should be allowed, that propels me to write this. The Scratch forums are a place to learn, debate, and collaborate, designed for the edification of minds, to advance the intellects of all.

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

brettman98 wrote:

Zelda123 wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

yes. you wouldn't show young children murder, or violence, or war, when they were young would you? these things come in time. scratch isn't the place to discuss politics. I mean, if you want to discuss politics so much, go on youtube or start your own forum 

There is certainly a place for parents to discuss death and war with children. If the time, place, and reason is right, murder, violence, and war can be discussed - here the parents' wisdom is taken into account.

There is also a gruesome aspect to showing pictures of murder and death - an aspect incomparable to that of mere politics.

It is not that I desire to discuss politics, but the fact that it should be allowed, that propels me to write this. The Scratch forums are a place to learn, debate, and collaborate, designed for the edification of minds, to advance the intellects of all.

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

There is no reason why politics should not be discussed.

If, in truth, no one really cared about "discussing politics on a kid's programming site" why would the rule originate when none first existed and why would this topic exist and extend itself six pages? A "ban on talk of politics" suppresses opinions, edification, fruitful debate, and knowledge.

Banning politics does not reduce "fighting." It is just an attempt to suppress the conflict that already exists. There is always conflict where people develop conflicting beliefs.

A debate on politics or anything is a fruitful experience.

brettman98 wrote:

Zelda123 wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

yes. you wouldn't show young children murder, or violence, or war, when they were young would you? these things come in time. scratch isn't the place to discuss politics. I mean, if you want to discuss politics so much, go on youtube or start your own forum 

There is certainly a place for parents to discuss death and war with children. If the time, place, and reason is right, murder, violence, and war can be discussed - here the parents' wisdom is taken into account.

There is also a gruesome aspect to showing pictures of murder and death - an aspect incomparable to that of mere politics.

It is not that I desire to discuss politics, but the fact that it should be allowed, that propels me to write this. The Scratch forums are a place to learn, debate, and collaborate, designed for the edification of minds, to advance the intellects of all.

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

Because this is a kid's site is exactly the reason why the fighting won't escalate. We've never had problems with political topics here. The userbase has also matured greatly since the days of Inspiration and More where political topics were allowed. We could handle it then and we can definitely handle it now.

Zelda123 wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

Zelda123 wrote:

There is certainly a place for parents to discuss death and war with children. If the time, place, and reason is right, murder, violence, and war can be discussed - here the parents' wisdom is taken into account.

There is also a gruesome aspect to showing pictures of murder and death - an aspect incomparable to that of mere politics.

It is not that I desire to discuss politics, but the fact that it should be allowed, that propels me to write this. The Scratch forums are a place to learn, debate, and collaborate, designed for the edification of minds, to advance the intellects of all.

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

There is no reason why politics should not be discussed.

If, in truth, no one really cared about "discussing politics on a kid's programming site" why would the rule originate when none first existed and why would this topic exist and extend itself six pages? A "ban on talk of politics" suppresses opinions, edification, fruitful debate, and knowledge.

Banning politics does not reduce "fighting." It is just an attempt to suppress the conflict that already exists. There is always conflict where people develop conflicting beliefs.

A debate on politics or anything is a fruitful experience.

And what about immature young kids who have little or no knowledge of politics? Why a few days ago, I saw the statement, "Bill Gates kills babies" on scratch.

If we have political topics, there are bound to be some who have a very rude opinion of government (such as myself) and people who are immature and would state something like [sample insulting remark removed by moderator] but many people will say ridiculous things like such. In reality, the anti-political rule was developed to prevent grudges, flamewars, etc. Scratch isn't really the place to give a rant on the democratic party, or socialism, or communism, etc.

Last edited by Paddle2See (2011-06-18 05:40:16)

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

Zelda123 wrote:

There is certainly a place for parents to discuss death and war with children. If the time, place, and reason is right, murder, violence, and war can be discussed - here the parents' wisdom is taken into account.

There is also a gruesome aspect to showing pictures of murder and death - an aspect incomparable to that of mere politics.

It is not that I desire to discuss politics, but the fact that it should be allowed, that propels me to write this. The Scratch forums are a place to learn, debate, and collaborate, designed for the edification of minds, to advance the intellects of all.

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

Because this is a kid's site is exactly the reason why the fighting won't escalate. We've never had problems with political topics here. The userbase has also matured greatly since the days of Inspiration and More where political topics were allowed. We could handle it then and we can definitely handle it now.

No.... I know a 6 year old Scratcher in real life. I don't think HE can handle it....
BTW, why do you always post things in red, Ace-of-Hearts?

Also (to the person who wrote this thread) svinnik, nobody has signed the petition besides you and some other person. I think you should be losing hope...?

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

This topic is why politics aren't allowed.

My thoughts exactly.

a1130 wrote:

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:

brettman98 wrote:

I just don't see why you would need to discuss it here. I see no reason it can't be discussed somewhere else, because who really cares about discussing politics on a kid's programming site? Ban on talk of politics is to ensure that people won't fight as often, I believe that the scratch team is doing misc. a favor by banning politics.

Because this is a kid's site is exactly the reason why the fighting won't escalate. We've never had problems with political topics here. The userbase has also matured greatly since the days of Inspiration and More where political topics were allowed. We could handle it then and we can definitely handle it now.

No.... I know a 6 year old Scratcher in real life. I don't think HE can handle it....
BTW, why do you always post things in red, Ace-of-Hearts?

We're not forcing the 6 year olds into the political topics you know. The most common age of user on this site is 13-14, and the forums might be even higher. This would be for the older, responsible people who know what they're doing. You never have to participate in a topic you don't want to. Also don't turn the topic towards me, I don't know what red you're talking about anyways

Vurb wrote:

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:

a1130 wrote:

No.... I know a 6 year old Scratcher in real life. I don't think HE can handle it....
BTW, why do you always post things in red, Ace-of-Hearts?

We're not forcing the 6 year olds into the political topics you know. The most common age of user on this site is 13-14, and the forums might be even higher. This would be for the older, responsible people who know what they're doing. You never have to participate in a topic you don't want to. Also don't turn the topic towards me, I don't know what red you're talking about anyways

Are you implying that 13-14 year olds are "responsible people who know what they're doing"? Hahaha, oh wow.

Certainly not in all cases, but this is Scratch. A large percent of these people are above the average standard.

Vurb wrote:

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:

Vurb wrote:

Are you implying that 13-14 year olds are "responsible people who know what they're doing"? Hahaha, oh wow.

Certainly not in all cases, but this is Scratch. A large percent of these people are above the average standard.

Well, that's true. But I cannot help but cringe as I imagine wannabe-political posts by confused 13 year olds (i.e., "North Korea is communist", "Our goverment sucks", "What is leftist?", etc.).

To be honest, I don't care about politics, my real aim since I first posted here was to bring Religion Discussion back but I can see that won't be happening

Vurb wrote:

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:

Vurb wrote:

Well, that's true. But I cannot help but cringe as I imagine wannabe-political posts by confused 13 year olds (i.e., "North Korea is communist", "Our goverment sucks", "What is leftist?", etc.).

To be honest, I don't care about politics, my real aim since I first posted here was to bring Religion Discussion back but I can see that won't be happening

Religion discussion, wow. I guess I'm sort of okay with political discussion, but religious? Religion should not be discussed. Ever. If you have beliefs, alright, if that helps you be a better person. But "atheists vs christians" threads, do you really think that is alright? And don't say those wouldn't pop up. More than that, I cannot imagine a way that religion could be discussed neutrally/objectivelly. It would be a flame war from start to end. And they're isn't really a point to discussing religion - it's either you believe or you won't. Hardy ever could a mere internet discussion about religion change anything but induce hate and bias. Real life has enough of religious feuds. Let's not bring them in here.

We actually had a 60 page topic basically titled 'God doesn't exist' that didn't have any flame wars until the very end and it wasn't that big either. And this was a little over a year and a half ago