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There are definitely some issues with the frontpage top whatever system. Why should one project (or its clones) hog the frontpage? Like when there are the same project on each of the toplists for the frontpage. I think there needs to be more variety.

jamie wrote:

archmage wrote:

There are definitely some issues with the frontpage top whatever system. Why should one project (or its clones) hog the frontpage? Like when there are the same project on each of the toplists for the frontpage. I think there needs to be more variety.

Agreed. For those of you that make these projects, they are NOT funny, so just don't make them.

Yup! How about we make a petition or something? I don't know how to make one but...

Zelda123 wrote:

jamie wrote:

big-bang wrote:

Stuff that bugs me about Scratch:
1. Remix and pass it on projects. I mean it might be cool to watch the number grow, but some aren't even interactive!!! At least with "light a candle" people can actually use their skills (take one look at hnmwilson's candle for proof). I can tolerate projects where you can actually affect things with your mouse!
2. Top remixed scams. Okay, I know this should belong in #1, but
cool things the hated, cool things the dreaded, cool things the DESPISED has opened a new realm of easy ways to get the frontpage. How long is it before we see "stupid pixel [289]" up there? NOT VERY!!!
3. I'm leaving. Great. People waste front-page slots with a stupid publicity stunt, then by the time you've read the small print, they've come back. And everybody treats them like a hero. It's a really, really annoying thing to do!!!
4. This project sucks. Wow. You've gone out of your way to steal somebody else's happiness. I flag them whenever I see them, people! DO THE SAME!!!
5. Inappropriate stuff. "Oh yeah, I'll make a privates joke and then post it to the Web!! HA HA HA!!!" These people are not pornogrophers, they are just stupid. Again, flag these.
6. Politics debates. Otherwise known as forumcide. No logic. No reason. No brains! Just "BLAH BLAH BLAH [insert person] IS A [terrorist, gambler, geezer, idiot, and any number of dergatory comments]." It gets really annoying! The only thing that makes these debates worse than they already are is when abortion is slapped on there. "YESNOYESNOYESNOYESNOYESNO!!!!!" Quit it. Please.

Okay, that's it. Hopefully, this will stop soon... but it felt good to let off steam.

Agree 100%. I know this site is for kids, but that shouldn't make it a sandbox where people can post whatever they want. If you want an annoying site where 99% of the content is plagiarized * that nobody cares about, please feel free to join MySpace.

Remember back in the days of "Classic Scratch" (Early-2007 and before), when the entire site had worthwhile projects. When you could use your first name alone as your username, when the project number in the URL was only 3 digits... ah memories..... *sob*

Okay I'm done being dramatic.

But seriously, nobody CARES if you want to leave and come back 5 minutes later, and nobody CARES about your "remix this!" chain projects.

I myself am a kid, I'm only 14, but I personally miss the early Scratch era when none of this was a problem.

I guess my key point is, think LONG AND HARD before you click the "Share" button. Just think "Is this a project that people will ENJOY, or a project what will just get people hating me, and me leaving the site for a whole ten minutes?"

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People should not have to think "Long and hard" unless they are sharing a project against the Terms of Use. Otherwise, they should feel free to post whatever projects they want to.

So your saying you DO want scratch.mit.edu to be a big website of SPAM?

I will start the petition... in the form of a "remix me" project! Just kidding. That would be the ultimate irony.

Well, the Scratch team DOES listen to us. It was partly because of me that we have the Credit system 

I don't think projects like that are bad, but I don't think they're too much good either. They take up the front page, which is the main problem, but I don't see why they're bad enough to start a petition to make them stop.

So I've remixed a couple of chain projects, I don't really plan on remixing too many more. And like I said- I know the top remixed section has ONLY chain projects but what else is wrong with it? I mean besides what I just said and the fact that there's no point to them and that it it's just the scratch equivalent to spam messages...

Last edited by hmnwilson (2008-11-27 21:08:25)

gamegeek118 wrote:

Honestly, I love those projects. I think they are a great way for people to express themselves through art. This is just my opinion though.

I completely agree with you. ^^

Lucario621 wrote:

MyRedNeptune wrote:

gamegeek118 wrote:

Honestly, I love those projects. I think they are a great way for people to express themselves through art. This is just my opinion though.

I completely agree with you. ^^

I completely disagree with you ........!!!

They are never a way for people to "express themselves"... they are a way for people to spam themselves. See "add a face", currently on the front page. Am I the only person who noticed that the original face is holding a freakin' knife?!!! And TannerFBI's face is not an artistic expression. It's a slapdash pile of pixels. Nonetheless, people remix it, trying to get the front page. The aforementioned people could be doing great things with their programming!!! But they don't, because these wastes of time are underfoot. If the Scratch Team deleted every single remix me project and all of its remixes, we'd probably have people vying for the 50,000th project again. You can argue, you can whine, you can remix all you like, but remember the lost productivity!!!

P.S. You can laugh at me for being 10 and arguing at the same time now.

big-bang wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

MyRedNeptune wrote:

I completely agree with you. ^^

I completely disagree with you ........!!!

They are never a way for people to "express themselves"... they are a way for people to spam themselves. See "add a face", currently on the front page. Am I the only person who noticed that the original face is holding a freakin' knife?!!! And TannerFBI's face is not an artistic expression. It's a slapdash pile of pixels. Nonetheless, people remix it, trying to get the front page. The aforementioned people could be doing great things with their programming!!! But they don't, because these wastes of time are underfoot. If the Scratch Team deleted every single remix me project and all of its remixes, we'd probably have people vying for the 50,000th project again. You can argue, you can whine, you can remix all you like, but remember the lost productivity!!!

P.S. You can laugh at me for being 10 and arguing at the same time now.

Well to me, I don't neccecarily want to get rid of remixing, but just the chain projects.

Lucario621 wrote:

big-bang wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

I completely disagree with you ........!!!

They are never a way for people to "express themselves"... they are a way for people to spam themselves. See "add a face", currently on the front page. Am I the only person who noticed that the original face is holding a freakin' knife?!!! And TannerFBI's face is not an artistic expression. It's a slapdash pile of pixels. Nonetheless, people remix it, trying to get the front page. The aforementioned people could be doing great things with their programming!!! But they don't, because these wastes of time are underfoot. If the Scratch Team deleted every single remix me project and all of its remixes, we'd probably have people vying for the 50,000th project again. You can argue, you can whine, you can remix all you like, but remember the lost productivity!!!

P.S. You can laugh at me for being 10 and arguing at the same time now.

Well to me, I don't neccecarily want to get rid of remixing, but just the chain projects.

I find remixing as a function useful, and the only way to abolish it is to abolish downloading, which I'm sure would cause a riot at MIT...

archmage wrote:

I think there needs to be more variety.

Yeah... we don't NEED "Make a circle, pass it on" dominating every single page. Remixing these projects and bragging about it shows that you have no programming skills. And it's still a BIG WASTE OF TIME!!! Reason? You could be trying to make the frontpage in ANOTHER way!!! Doody's pen project is NOT the best pen on Scratch...

I hate the way people are so greedy to get to the front page that they make "Add a __________" projects. I really don't know why anyone would remix them. I also hate when people post a project that is just a picture or a sprite. Scratch is a programming language, not Microsoft Paint. There are probably at least 20 projects that are a picture of the Scratch cat. My projects actually do something! And am I the only one who thinks these "Warriors of the ________" club things are like cults?

Paddle2See wrote:

big-bang wrote:

archmage wrote:

I think there needs to be more variety.

Yeah... we don't NEED "Make a circle, pass it on" dominating every single page. Remixing these projects and bragging about it shows that you have no programming skills. And it's still a BIG WASTE OF TIME!!! Reason? You could be trying to make the frontpage in ANOTHER way!!! Doody's pen project is NOT the best pen on Scratch...

I guess I disagree with you here.  Everybody scratches in their own way.  The remix games help build a sense of community and encourage people to download and look at other people's scripts - which is a great way to learn! 

Also, I take exception to the remark in your signature.  Front page positions simply show a snapshot of how people are viewing and reacting to projects in the recent past - they are never a measure of intrinsic quality (a possible exception is the Featured category).  Why would you single out one person's project for this remark?  How do you think that makes them feel?

Sorry, I'm working off my bitterness from the Onemorelevel.com forums gradually... we can never speak of that again. I guess I just got mad that a project that had about 5 blocks made frontpage... it went the same for scratchillusion's swirl effect project. I've never been up front and it's driving me slightly insane...