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PUT THE CHAIN LETTER OI MADE INTO YOUR SIGS!!!!! [/craziness]

sanddude wrote:

PandaGuy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

@PandaGuy: Again, that's mainstream rap. Have I ever heard Deltron 3030, Flobots, or A Tribe Called Quest refer to women as "female dogs". No. Go listen to some actual rap, instead of the mainstream crud, that's all about drugs, drinking, female dogs, gardening tools, and partying.

And classical music is good, but don't be saying it's the only good stuff. You are just sounding like a 2000 year old angry man ranting about how kids these days suck, instead of actually having a well-thought out, researched, unbiased on musical taste opinion.

Er, gardening tools? First of all, I am not a 2000-year-old man just because I favor classical music. If anything, it's a lot better than the new-aged garbage, but that's not to say everything is bad. And just because I like classical music, it doesn't mean that's the only type of music I like. Sometimes I find myself singing pop songs. I like a few of them. Nothing is wrong with pop alone, but I hate it when they talk about partying and inappropriate things. Why do I hate rap so much? Well, let's be reasonable, a mass majority of the songs talk about all the stuff I mentioned previously. Much of it has made a huge impact on today's generation and, even though you may not know the lyrics, the messages still seep into your subconscious. Lastly, the way you expressed yourself here is just downright disrespectful. Classical music is not just for old men, which I find very annoying and stereotypical, it's for everyone. Just because I dislike rap, though, it doesn't mean I'm going to infiltrate people's radios and destroy rap altogether. Well, technically, that's impossible, but it's just ridiculous. Listen to rap all you want, but don't go hating on the classics.

I said that I LIKE classical music. I didn't say that you were an old man for listening to it. I said the way you were ranting on how terrible today's society was is old man-ish. Oh, and it's not the rapper's fault the kids aren't behaving. It's their parents fault for not teaching and talking to their kids about things. Most mainstream rappers don't actually mean what they say. They're saying it because shock value sells.

And most of it is garbage? For the millionth time, it's the mainstream rap that you hear on the radio that makes up the negative stereotypes about it.

You know, you act as though there is no effect whatsoever. Popular culture is a powerful force not to be underestimated. It permeates the minds of everyone and creates powerful social pressures in favor of what it glorifies. It is indeed the responsibility of parents to raise their kids well, and part of that is keeping them away from strong negative influences. I don't claim that all rap can be defined by the 'gangster' label, but there is a powerful trend in that direction, especially in popular brands of such music.

Harakou wrote:

sanddude wrote:

PandaGuy wrote:

Er, gardening tools? First of all, I am not a 2000-year-old man just because I favor classical music. If anything, it's a lot better than the new-aged garbage, but that's not to say everything is bad. And just because I like classical music, it doesn't mean that's the only type of music I like. Sometimes I find myself singing pop songs. I like a few of them. Nothing is wrong with pop alone, but I hate it when they talk about partying and inappropriate things. Why do I hate rap so much? Well, let's be reasonable, a mass majority of the songs talk about all the stuff I mentioned previously. Much of it has made a huge impact on today's generation and, even though you may not know the lyrics, the messages still seep into your subconscious. Lastly, the way you expressed yourself here is just downright disrespectful. Classical music is not just for old men, which I find very annoying and stereotypical, it's for everyone. Just because I dislike rap, though, it doesn't mean I'm going to infiltrate people's radios and destroy rap altogether. Well, technically, that's impossible, but it's just ridiculous. Listen to rap all you want, but don't go hating on the classics.

I said that I LIKE classical music. I didn't say that you were an old man for listening to it. I said the way you were ranting on how terrible today's society was is old man-ish. Oh, and it's not the rapper's fault the kids aren't behaving. It's their parents fault for not teaching and talking to their kids about things. Most mainstream rappers don't actually mean what they say. They're saying it because shock value sells.

And most of it is garbage? For the millionth time, it's the mainstream rap that you hear on the radio that makes up the negative stereotypes about it.

You know, you act as though there is no effect whatsoever. Popular culture is a powerful force not to be underestimated. It permeates the minds of everyone and creates powerful social pressures in favor of what it glorifies. It is indeed the responsibility of parents to raise their kids well, and part of that is keeping them away from strong negative influences. I don't claim that all rap can be defined by the 'gangster' label, but there is a powerful trend in that direction, especially in popular brands of such music.

Exactly. Media is very powerful. You shouldn't take it so lightly.

sanddude wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Sure! 


Deltron 3030: http://www.scratch.mit.edu/ext/youtube/?v=b5aocYRShXM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

A Tribe Called Quest: http://www.scratch.mit.edu/ext/youtube/?v=b-_PHQ8sSvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Flobots:
http://www.scratch.mit.edu/ext/youtube/?v=HLUX0y4EptA

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You can't call Flobots rap because they aren't. They're alternative hip-hop.

Which is a form of hip hop/rap.

Rap and hip-hop aren't the same.

PandaGuy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Harakou wrote:

You know, you act as though there is no effect whatsoever. Popular culture is a powerful force not to be underestimated. It permeates the minds of everyone and creates powerful social pressures in favor of what it glorifies. It is indeed the responsibility of parents to raise their kids well, and part of that is keeping them away from strong negative influences. I don't claim that all rap can be defined by the 'gangster' label, but there is a powerful trend in that direction, especially in popular brands of such music.

It actually doesn't. Really, the parent's just aren't talking to their kids and teaching them why it's wrong. That's why it has an effect. We need to stop scapegoating the musician or the movie or the TV show and actually focus on the parents.

@MrMokey: I liked it too. Funeral's still my personal favorite, though.

Both parents and media affect how we process in the future. Little Joe may aspire after his dad and says he wants to be just like him. He loves his father and wants to follow in his footsteps. Or maybe he saw something in a movie he had watched the week before and says he wants to be just like the main character. Parents should take their role and be there for them whenever something bad pops up. However, some parents don't do their job and take responsibility for teaching their kids right from wrong, but that doesn't mean we blame them altogether. We also have to discipline ourselves, as well.

You, good sir, are still a bloody genius.

veggieman001 wrote:

PandaGuy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

It actually doesn't. Really, the parent's just aren't talking to their kids and teaching them why it's wrong. That's why it has an effect. We need to stop scapegoating the musician or the movie or the TV show and actually focus on the parents.

@MrMokey: I liked it too. Funeral's still my personal favorite, though.

Both parents and media affect how we process in the future. Little Joe may aspire after his dad and says he wants to be just like him. He loves his father and wants to follow in his footsteps. Or maybe he saw something in a movie he had watched the week before and says he wants to be just like the main character. Parents should take their role and be there for them whenever something bad pops up. However, some parents don't do their job and take responsibility for teaching their kids right from wrong, but that doesn't mean we blame them altogether. We also have to discipline ourselves, as well.

You, good sir, are still a bloody genius.

Indeed.

Harakou wrote:

PandaGuy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

It actually doesn't. Really, the parent's just aren't talking to their kids and teaching them why it's wrong. That's why it has an effect. We need to stop scapegoating the musician or the movie or the TV show and actually focus on the parents.

@MrMokey: I liked it too. Funeral's still my personal favorite, though.

Both parents and media affect how we process in the future. Little Joe may aspire after his dad and says he wants to be just like him. He loves his father and wants to follow in his footsteps. Or maybe he saw something in a movie he had watched the week before and says he wants to be just like the main character. Parents should take their role and be there for them whenever something bad pops up. However, some parents don't do their job and take responsibility for teaching their kids right from wrong, but that doesn't mean we blame them altogether. We also have to discipline ourselves, as well.

Well said. Parents have a role in teaching their kids, but pretending media has no effect on children or that parents merely need to teach their kids against what the media promotes is delusional. Sometimes, being a good parent means keeping kids away from those influences.

But today parents are needing to work more and more to support their children.  What once would've been unacceptable, children from the age of 10 are left at home alone, due to not having anyone to care for them.  They can't afford a child-sitter, they have no brothers/sisters, and just have no ability to care for them while working.

EmperorEvil wrote:

Rap is not music. The background rhythm is, but the violent, crude speech is not.

Rap is not neccessarily Violent and crude speech.  Rap doesn't need words.  Have you ever heard of Zombie nation?  That is rap.  Therefore, rap is music thus your argument is invalid.

EmperorEvil wrote:

Rap is not music. The background rhythm is, but the violent, crude speech is not.

Rap is very much music, and you, sir, are wrong. Did you even read any of the posts before you posted here?

sanddude wrote:

You know, I was browsing the forums as usual, and something caught my eye.

"92% of teens have turned to rap. If you are one of the 8% who still listens to real music, put this in your sig."

Rap is real music, smart ones. Maybe it's not your personal taste of music (which is fine), but it's still real music. If you think so, you probably just heard a Lil Wayne song on the radio and said "wow that guy sucks so much dude so ill just assume that thats all rap in the world now im gonna make a chain letter about it man" (grammar errors intentional). Yes, Lil Wayne is a talentless poohead. So are most mainstream rappers. All they do is talk to a beat. But not all rappers are like that. There was a time when rap was actually political. It talked about real things. Heck, some rappers even have VIOLINS in some of their songs (Flobots, anybody?). If that's not your personal taste in music fine. But it's real music.

And rap is not just racism, swearing, sexism, drugs, etc. Again, that's most mainstream rappers. There is political rap like I mentioned. It can be socially conscious. There are rappers like De La Soul, Mos Def, Common, and Lupe Fiasco, who are socially conscious, anti-violent, and respect women. But before doing any research on the subject, you made a chain letter.

If you have actually taken time to listen to more then 7 or 8 rappers, and dislike the genre, fine. Each to his own. But if you did, you wouldn't make this ridicoulous, ignorant, inaccurate chain letter.

Now discussify.

Music:

The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
-he devoted his life to music
The vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way
-couples were dancing to the music
baroque music
A sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious

Rap certainly isn't harmonious. Its just some guy talking really fast about something to drums.

Give me an example that isn't. 

illusionist wrote:

sanddude wrote:

You know, I was browsing the forums as usual, and something caught my eye.

"92% of teens have turned to rap. If you are one of the 8% who still listens to real music, put this in your sig."

Rap is real music, smart ones. Maybe it's not your personal taste of music (which is fine), but it's still real music. If you think so, you probably just heard a Lil Wayne song on the radio and said "wow that guy sucks so much dude so ill just assume that thats all rap in the world now im gonna make a chain letter about it man" (grammar errors intentional). Yes, Lil Wayne is a talentless poohead. So are most mainstream rappers. All they do is talk to a beat. But not all rappers are like that. There was a time when rap was actually political. It talked about real things. Heck, some rappers even have VIOLINS in some of their songs (Flobots, anybody?). If that's not your personal taste in music fine. But it's real music.

And rap is not just racism, swearing, sexism, drugs, etc. Again, that's most mainstream rappers. There is political rap like I mentioned. It can be socially conscious. There are rappers like De La Soul, Mos Def, Common, and Lupe Fiasco, who are socially conscious, anti-violent, and respect women. But before doing any research on the subject, you made a chain letter.

If you have actually taken time to listen to more then 7 or 8 rappers, and dislike the genre, fine. Each to his own. But if you did, you wouldn't make this ridicoulous, ignorant, inaccurate chain letter.

Now discussify.

Music:

The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
-he devoted his life to music
The vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way
-couples were dancing to the music
baroque music
A sound perceived as pleasingly harmonious

Rap certainly isn't harmonious. Its just some guy talking really fast about something to drums.

Give me an example that isn't. 

Handlebars by Flobots
Feel Good Inc. by The Gorillaz

Well, I used to like rap, back when it was good. But now, most mainstream rap songs start out with a beautiful melody, that then turns into an awful rap that says a bad word every two seconds. But there are still some good ones out there, like the ones you mentioned.

Rap's ok sometimes.