Scratch

roosterman3 · 2011-04-23 02:49:47

I think that scratch should have a better paint editor. smile to show you support for this idea got to my project and click love it so we have more features in the paint editor!
link to project -> http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/RM3testaccount/1741636

CloneCommando1 · 2011-04-23 16:09:00

I agree with this as I am a spriter, so most of my time in Scratch is spent in/on the paint editor. However, you should probably describe this all a little more. You know, what features you think it should have, which ones it shouldn't, etc. But this is a great Idea! big_smile

kayybee · 2011-04-23 18:18:26

The whole point of Scratch is to program, not to sprite, and so you shouldn't rely on Scratch as a substitute for Photoshop...

toocoolforschool · 2011-04-23 18:19:38

yeah what kayybee said. scratch wasn't created to make art...if anything you should just download paint.net and then import your drawings on that into sprites. it only takes an extra 20 seconds.

roosterman3 · 2011-04-28 21:57:55

Kayybee wrote:
The whole point of Scratch is to program, not to sprite, and so you shouldn't rely on Scratch as a substitute for Photoshop...

yeah, but what if people don't want to Google a free paint editor, then download it, then install it, then waste their time trying to figure out how to use it? besides, Photoshop is VERY complicated to use and expensive. the changes I want are very simple, anyone could figure out how to use them, and would only require a very small size change in the Scratch download package.

also, some people LIKE using the built in Scratch paint editor like me

CloneCommando1 wrote:
I agree with this as I am a spriter, so most of my time in Scratch is spent in/on the paint editor. However, you should probably describe this all a little more. You know, what features you think it should have, which ones it shouldn't, etc. But this is a great Idea!

and also, what if it as a 6 year old kid who just wants to make an animation or a game?
That kid probably wouldn't want to or even know how to get another paint editor

kayybee · 2011-04-28 23:57:23

roosterman3 wrote:
Kayybee wrote:
The whole point of Scratch is to program, not to sprite, and so you shouldn't rely on Scratch as a substitute for Photoshop...
yeah, but what if people don't want to Google a free paint editor, then download it, then install it, then waste their time trying to figure out how to use it? besides, Photoshop is VERY complicated to use and expensive. the changes I want are very simple, anyone could figure out how to use them, and would only require a very small size change in the Scratch download package.

also, some people LIKE using the built in Scratch paint editor like me

CloneCommando1 wrote:
I agree with this as I am a spriter, so most of my time in Scratch is spent in/on the paint editor. However, you should probably describe this all a little more. You know, what features you think it should have, which ones it shouldn't, etc. But this is a great Idea!
and also, what if it as a 6 year old kid who just wants to make an animation or a game?
That kid probably wouldn't want to or even know how to get another paint editor

Well, then that 6-year-old should be content with at least a paint editor included. At least they have something to make sprites. Things like stencyl don't have that.

kayybee · 2011-04-29 01:47:45

roosterman3 wrote:
Kayybee wrote:
The whole point of Scratch is to program, not to sprite, and so you shouldn't rely on Scratch as a substitute for Photoshop...
yeah, but what if people don't want to Google a free paint editor, then download it, then install it, then waste their time trying to figure out how to use it? besides, Photoshop is VERY complicated to use and expensive. the changes I want are very simple, anyone could figure out how to use them, and would only require a very small size change in the Scratch download package.

also, some people LIKE using the built in Scratch paint editor like me

CloneCommando1 wrote:
I agree with this as I am a spriter, so most of my time in Scratch is spent in/on the paint editor. However, you should probably describe this all a little more. You know, what features you think it should have, which ones it shouldn't, etc. But this is a great Idea!
and also, what if it as a 6 year old kid who just wants to make an animation or a game?
That kid probably wouldn't want to or even know how to get another paint editor

Also, you just helped me support my point. Photoshop is an expensive image editing software to make professional images.

Scratch is a PROGRAM making program and not an IMAGE editor. It is free and the image editor is to be used if desired, for those who don't want something too complicated.

Final point: if people want a paint editor, they can use those other more professional ones out there. If they don't, then stop complaining.

As for your six year old problem, they can use sumopaint.

meryem · 2011-04-29 03:06:07

@roosterman3 I liked your work irrespective of what others think about it.

Clank23 · 2011-04-29 03:46:54

well,
kaybee some people will not be alowwed to download stuff off the nternet for safty because of thire parents.

johnnydean1 · 2011-04-29 06:17:14

Sorry I am with kaybee. Scratch's paint editor is good enough as it is, and if you require paint.net is what you need. There are a few minor changes that could be made to the paint editor, but not enough to warrant a big change.

12three · 2011-04-29 06:22:08

If you want to draw good, draw it in photoshop or paint and take like 47 seconds extra to import it.

kayybee · 2011-04-29 09:10:50

Clank23 wrote:
well,
kaybee some people will not be alowwed to download stuff off the nternet for safty because of thire parents.

If you'd have actually took some time, SUMOPAINT is ONLINE.

and how would they download scratch?

roosterman3 · 2011-04-29 20:35:28

all right if all you people want a free, offline, advanced photo editor then here you go.
these are all virus free and a small download size. I still want a better paint editor for Scratch.

photofiltre http://photofiltre.en.softonic.com/download

gimp http://www.downloadchimp.com/go.php?p=gimp

paint.net http://www.getpaint.net/download.html

free image editor http://download.cnet.com/3001-2192_4-10623587.html?spi=27ade4e2587c9d7132bef9bcf83b65c8

artweaver http://www.artweaver.de/download-en/

Photo! http://pho.to/editor/download.php

photoscape http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/download.php

Chasys draw http://www.chachaslab.com/download.php?id=chasys_draw_ies

Harakou · 2011-04-29 21:10:55

Sorry, I disagree. Scratch, again, is for programming, not art. The included paint editor is for people who don't need, want, or understand complex image editors, and suits those needs fine. If you want something more powerful, download it and import your sprites from that.

This is similar to say, a video editing program. They offer basic ways to change your audio, but if you want better audio features, you should use something like Audacity.

I think the point is driven home by the excellent list of free image editors that you [roosterman3] gave in the post right above. I personally recommend Paint.net, as it is very easy to understand and has lots of features.

Wickimen · 2011-05-02 17:01:36

Harakou wrote:
Scratch, again, is for programming, not art.

Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. tongue It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.

Planet-Jedward · 2011-05-02 17:12:41

Wickimen wrote:
Harakou wrote:
Scratch, again, is for programming, not art.
Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.

Agreed.

We could do with a 'smudge' tool or something ^.^

Wickimen · 2011-05-02 18:13:25

Planet-Jedward wrote:
Wickimen wrote:
Harakou wrote:
Scratch, again, is for programming, not art.
Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.
Agreed.

We could do with a 'smudge' tool or something ^.^

Ooh, smudge tool yikes
Good idea

Harakou · 2011-05-02 18:50:07

Wickimen wrote:
Harakou wrote:
Scratch, again, is for programming, not art.
Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.

I guess my point is that you can always use another editor that suits your needs. Yes, it might be a problem for some people, but it just bothers me when people seem to expect Photoshop-like capabilities in that little editor. It's just for the basics! tongue

The_Dancing_Donut · 2011-05-03 12:01:31

Wickimen wrote:
Planet-Jedward wrote:
Wickimen wrote:

Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.
Agreed.

We could do with a 'smudge' tool or something ^.^
Ooh, smudge tool
Good idea

Thanks ;D

cheddargirl · 2011-05-03 20:06:31

Harakou wrote:
Wickimen wrote:
Harakou wrote:
Scratch, again, is for programming, not art.
Not to be rude/annoying/etc. or anything, but I'd like a slightly improved paint editor not because I want to just use Scratch for art, but to make my games more detailed and appealing-looking. I like them to look nice. It doesn't need to change drastically but a few things like transparency would be cool, (if you want part of the sprite to be transparent but not all of it), or an airbrush tool. This is just a suggestion, I could always just use MS Paint and import my sprites, but it'd be nice to do it right there on the Scratch paint editor.
I guess my point is that you can always use another editor that suits your needs. Yes, it might be a problem for some people, but it just bothers me when people seem to expect Photoshop-like capabilities in that little editor. It's just for the basics!

^This. Not to mention we also have to consider the coding that it will take to even put such effects into the Scratch paint editor - much easier said than done (in fact, I challenge those experienced with modifying the Scratch interface to attempt such a thing).

But do think the Scratch Editor could use some improvement:
- Onion skinning, an idea which has been suggested many time (and to my understand, the Scratch Team has called for users to give mock-ups on this idea) would definitely be a big plus because it would help in determining the best rotation center.
- There's also the issue of Scratch being insensitive in detecting color differences (for example, different shades of grey are usually as one shade of black in the paint editor), so that really needs to be fixed.

Beyond that, though, there really isn't much else in the editor that needs major improvement or isn't otherwise covered by using an external editor (although free to add our won input about this if you want tongue ).

wjack2010 · 2012-03-03 11:46:24

toocoolforschool wrote:
yeah what kayybee said. scratch wasn't created to make art...if anything you should just download paint.net and then import your drawings on that into sprites. it only takes an extra 20 seconds.

That's exactly what I do, Paint.net is awesome for making Sprites, backgrounds anything.

Mokat · 2012-03-03 11:53:28

This kind of sounds like you're advertising your project. hmm
But I don't see anything that wouldn't be already covered if you use another paint program and import the drawings as backgrounds/sprites.

Mokat · 2012-03-03 11:57:37

roosterman3 wrote:
Kayybee wrote:
The whole point of Scratch is to program, not to sprite, and so you shouldn't rely on Scratch as a substitute for Photoshop...
yeah, but what if people don't want to Google a free paint editor, then download it, then install it, then waste their time trying to figure out how to use it? besides, Photoshop is VERY complicated to use and expensive. the changes I want are very simple, anyone could figure out how to use them, and would only require a very small size change in the Scratch download package.

also, some people LIKE using the built in Scratch paint editor like me

CloneCommando1 wrote:
I agree with this as I am a spriter, so most of my time in Scratch is spent in/on the paint editor. However, you should probably describe this all a little more. You know, what features you think it should have, which ones it shouldn't, etc. But this is a great Idea!
and also, what if it as a 6 year old kid who just wants to make an animation or a game?
That kid probably wouldn't want to or even know how to get another paint editor

Yes, but if there was a 6 year-old, making good sprites probably wouldn't be one of the things that they'd spend a lot of time doing.
I agree with Kayybee. Scratch isn't meant for drawing sprites, nor as a substitute for other things like Paint.net. If you're really interested in drawing things on the computer, I suggest you get a drawing program.

RedRocker227 · 2012-03-03 12:09:24

wjack2010 wrote:
toocoolforschool wrote:
yeah what kayybee said. scratch wasn't created to make art...if anything you should just download paint.net and then import your drawings on that into sprites. it only takes an extra 20 seconds.
That's exactly what I do, Paint.net is awesome for making Sprites, backgrounds anything.

Don't necropost -.-

Mokat · 2012-03-03 22:34:14

RedRocker227 wrote:
wjack2010 wrote:
toocoolforschool wrote:
yeah what kayybee said. scratch wasn't created to make art...if anything you should just download paint.net and then import your drawings on that into sprites. it only takes an extra 20 seconds.
That's exactly what I do, Paint.net is awesome for making Sprites, backgrounds anything.
Don't necropost -.-

>:U Necroposters. ._.

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