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Kileymeister wrote:

People are illusions.  Ergo fame is an illusion.

Logic, please?

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

People are illusions.  Ergo fame is an illusion.

Logic, please?

Logic is an illu-

Ok, I'm done.  It's just a saying you use to say that fame is insubstantial and in the long run not worth much anything.
The "people are illusions" was just a subtle Descartes joke.

Last edited by Kileymeister (2011-04-17 21:37:04)

No. Fame is stupid, but it's not an allusion. Trust me, it's bad to say things you don't like aren't real. I kept saying that about my teachers but it didn't work.

I think it is an illusion, because "fame" is basically popularity, and popularity doesn't matter. PLUS: People look up to say, Victoria Justice, right? Well, there are many other people to look up to who AREN'T famous. If they are good singers and actors like her, shouldn't THEY be famous too? Basically, fame is really stupid. Because some people deserve to be famous but aren't. And the people who are are annoying and are worst than the people who aren't. Sigh. This is giving me a headache. 

"account of notable achievements"

half the people on the front page that are well-recognized blew it.

Musicstar888 wrote:

I think it is an illusion, because "fame" is basically popularity, and popularity doesn't matter. PLUS: People look up to say, Victoria Justice, right? Well, there are many other people to look up to who AREN'T famous. If they are good singers and actors like her, shouldn't THEY be famous too? Basically, fame is really stupid. Because some people deserve to be famous but aren't. And the people who are are annoying and are worst than the people who aren't. Sigh. This is giving me a headache. 

Just because something doesn't matter doesn't mean it isn't an illusion. 

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

I think it is an illusion, because "fame" is basically popularity, and popularity doesn't matter. PLUS: People look up to say, Victoria Justice, right? Well, there are many other people to look up to who AREN'T famous. If they are good singers and actors like her, shouldn't THEY be famous too? Basically, fame is really stupid. Because some people deserve to be famous but aren't. And the people who are are annoying and are worst than the people who aren't. Sigh. This is giving me a headache. 

Though it might not matter, does that automagically make it right to define it as an illusion?

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

I think it is an illusion, because "fame" is basically popularity, and popularity doesn't matter. PLUS: People look up to say, Victoria Justice, right? Well, there are many other people to look up to who AREN'T famous. If they are good singers and actors like her, shouldn't THEY be famous too? Basically, fame is really stupid. Because some people deserve to be famous but aren't. And the people who are are annoying and are worst than the people who aren't. Sigh. This is giving me a headache. 

Just because something doesn't matter doesn't mean it isn't an illusion. 

*highfive*

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

I think it is an illusion, because "fame" is basically popularity, and popularity doesn't matter. PLUS: People look up to say, Victoria Justice, right? Well, there are many other people to look up to who AREN'T famous. If they are good singers and actors like her, shouldn't THEY be famous too? Basically, fame is really stupid. Because some people deserve to be famous but aren't. And the people who are are annoying and are worst than the people who aren't. Sigh. This is giving me a headache. 

Though it might not matter, does that automagically make it right to define it as an illusion?

I guess not. I was so caught up in saying that that I forgot that this doesn't mean that it's an illusion. BUT: My statement is true. I'm proud of myself 

But the truth of that statement does not relate to the topic of whether fame is an illusion.

Kileymeister wrote:

To clear this up let us also define "illusion."
The most relevant definition is: n.  something that deceives or misleads intellectually Merriam-Webster).

I guess fame does not mislead, except to make you think that you are more significant than others when you're not.

But that's speaking of fame subjectively, not objectively. Mainly, when people bring this quote up, the main topic is how to get famous. Not only is the statement/quote that fame is an illusion a red herring, but it doesn't really apply to the topic at hand. (Then again, isn't that what a red herring is in the first place?)

Fame is very real. Whether or not it's important is up for you to decide. (My genius insight.  )

Fame is when a lot of people know you.
So it's not an illusion.

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

It's just hard to put all this in words. I have a theory, but I can't write it. It's too complicated....

Attempt to.

OK, I'll try: It's fake, because people have many different talents in the world. Each person has a specific passion for something: Sports, writing, whatever. Doesn't that all bring us to the same level? Like, shouldn't we all be the same because of that one thing we master?
OKAY, that was easier that I thought, but I had another theory, but I forgot it 

Some people are better at specific things than others. Just because we all have a passion for something doesn't necessarily mean we're good at it. Consider sports as an example; tennis in fact. Say I have a passion for tennis, but it's my second time playing the game. Does that mean I could beat Roger Federer.