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#1 2011-04-17 20:39:24

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A question for the Scratch Team...

...Or any Moderators or just everyday Scratchers.  My friend and I write some songs, and we want to make ourselves known. We can't do youtube or anything that actually shows our face (My friends mom won't let her) so I suggested Scratch. Then my friend said that someone could steal our ideas if we put it on the Web. (By "steal our ideas" she meant like singing the song as their own and not giving us credit.) I was wondering, since the little thing by the stage of a project says "Some rights reserved", does that mean that I can put my song on Scratch without having to worry about someone taking it as their own?
Sigh. This legal stuff can be confusing.  hmm

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#2 2011-04-17 21:10:44

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

I'm not sure what it is, but the creative commons license might do that. Still, you should put it on youtube and just not show your face. *cough* Wear a Guy Fawkes Mask *cough*

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#3 2011-04-17 21:13:22

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

I guess so, but watch out. The logo for WindozeNT Software was stolen and used without my permission (and they didn't even give ANY credit) and no one did anything about it.


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#4 2011-04-17 21:14:51

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Basically, the safest way to not get your stuff stolen is to get signed to a record company. Haha good luck with that.
If you put it on scratch, and some famous person finds it, they could very easily steal it considering they have fancy lawyers that could countersue the pants off you.  smile

EDIT: My friend and I are writing Christian/universal music but thats not very hard to get signed onto... so it also depends what genre you're doing.

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#5 2011-04-17 21:15:09

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

I can't do that because when we preform, don't you want to see our face? So far I just do drawings for the projects about us and don't put any songs yet. I just wish I could understand all this, but it's super complicated.  hmm


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#6 2011-04-17 21:19:33

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

that's a good question! the answer is they cannot steal it, but they can modify it and sell that version, but they have to give credit to you. all scratch projects that are uploaded to scratch.mit.edu are licensed under the creative commons-attribution-sharealike license. hope this helps! :]


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#7 2011-04-17 21:22:06

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Creatice Commons allows remixing and in your case, covers of the song but not just downloading and uploading after ripping the credit off. They have to give credit (automatically included unless you do a certain exploit . . .) and it can't be a blatant ripoff even if it does give credit.


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#8 2011-04-17 21:23:00

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

veggieman001 wrote:

that's a good question! the answer is they cannot steal it, but they can modify it and sell that version, but they have to give credit to you. all scratch projects that are uploaded to scratch.mit.edu are licensed under the creative commons-attribution-sharealike license. hope this helps! :]

You probably aren't very familiar with this kind of stuff...
If singers are already signed to a record deal, they can easily own a creative commons license.

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#9 2011-04-17 21:24:03

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

lol

All of the replies by normal Scratchers, but no Mods or Scratch Team.  tongue


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#10 2011-04-17 21:30:38

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

veggieman001 wrote:

that's a good question! the answer is they cannot steal it, but they can modify it and sell that version, but they have to give credit to you. all scratch projects that are uploaded to scratch.mit.edu are licensed under the creative commons-attribution-sharealike license. hope this helps! :]

Thank you for putting it in a way I'd be able to understand, veggie.  smile  That's what I was suspecting. But the people who use it can't sell it anyway, cause we don't have a record deal! So it's perfect because then I'll be able to put my songs up and no-one can steal them because no record label owns them.  yikes  Wait...that is true right...?

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#11 2011-04-17 21:32:20

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Musicstar888 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

that's a good question! the answer is they cannot steal it, but they can modify it and sell that version, but they have to give credit to you. all scratch projects that are uploaded to scratch.mit.edu are licensed under the creative commons-attribution-sharealike license. hope this helps! :]

Thank you for putting it in a way I'd be able to understand, veggie.  smile  That's what I was suspecting. But the people who use it can't sell it anyway, cause we don't have a record deal! So it's perfect because then I'll be able to put my songs up and no-one can steal them because no record label owns them.  yikes  Wait...that is true right...?

No it's not. Anybody who would try and steal it easily could. Creative common licences are very easy to get around using even the most mediocre lawyers.

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#12 2011-04-17 21:33:11

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

WindozeNT wrote:

I guess so, but watch out. The logo for WindozeNT Software was stolen and used without my permission (and they didn't even give ANY credit) and no one did anything about it.

um your logo is the same thing as the old windows logo

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#13 2011-04-17 21:33:59

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?


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#14 2011-04-17 21:38:03

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

that's a good question! the answer is they cannot steal it, but they can modify it and sell that version, but they have to give credit to you. all scratch projects that are uploaded to scratch.mit.edu are licensed under the creative commons-attribution-sharealike license. hope this helps! :]

Thank you for putting it in a way I'd be able to understand, veggie.  smile  That's what I was suspecting. But the people who use it can't sell it anyway, cause we don't have a record deal! So it's perfect because then I'll be able to put my songs up and no-one can steal them because no record label owns them.  yikes  Wait...that is true right...?

No it's not. Anybody who would try and steal it easily could. Creative common licences are very easy to get around using even the most mediocre lawyers.

That is incorrect. They have legal value.


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#15 2011-04-17 21:38:18

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?

They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

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#16 2011-04-17 21:41:02

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?

They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

That's incorrect. CC licenses work.


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#17 2011-04-17 21:41:11

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

veggieman001 wrote:

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:


Thank you for putting it in a way I'd be able to understand, veggie.  smile  That's what I was suspecting. But the people who use it can't sell it anyway, cause we don't have a record deal! So it's perfect because then I'll be able to put my songs up and no-one can steal them because no record label owns them.  yikes  Wait...that is true right...?

No it's not. Anybody who would try and steal it easily could. Creative common licences are very easy to get around using even the most mediocre lawyers.

That is incorrect. They have legal value.

Trust me. My friends dad is a defensive lawyer. A good one too (he's defended people who were naked in the street). I've talked to him about this. He even said so.

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#18 2011-04-17 21:41:15

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?

They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

We're trying our best. Our songs are better written than most celebrities' songs, and the music is good, too. My friend's mom is going to help us do that, because I think she does something with music as her profession and she understands that this band means a lot to my friend and I.


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#19 2011-04-17 21:42:54

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Musicstar888 wrote:

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?

They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

We're trying our best. Our songs are better written than most celebrities' songs, and the music is good, too. My friend's mom is going to help us do that, because I think she does something with music as her profession and she understands that this band means a lot to my friend and I.

As long as it means a lot to you.

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#20 2011-04-17 21:46:23

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

an easy way to "copyright" something so that it has legal value is to burn it onto a disc and mail it to yourself. then it is approved and dated by a us government agency (usps) and can be used in court as proof that you came up with it. but don't open it!

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#21 2011-04-17 21:49:33

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

veggieman001 wrote:

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

Sigh. This stuff really frustrates me. So to recap: I can put it up there, but people actually can get around Scratch's copyright policy with fancy lawyers?

They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

That's incorrect. CC licenses work.

Hardly...

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#22 2011-04-17 21:52:35

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

12three wrote:


They don't even need fancy lawyers. Any lawyer that went to school for like a year and a half could do it. If this is something you're really looking to do then save up for some recording equipment. You'll need it. And try and get signed to a contract.

We're trying our best. Our songs are better written than most celebrities' songs, and the music is good, too. My friend's mom is going to help us do that, because I think she does something with music as her profession and she understands that this band means a lot to my friend and I.

As long as it means a lot to you.

IT DOES. I am dedicated to it with all my heart, and it means the world to me.  big_smile  It's just a pain to go through the record labels themselves. You have to find one, and then you have to go over there and ask if they like your music, and then you have to sign all these papers-it's too complicated. I CANT THINK ABOUT THIS MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING  yikes !


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#23 2011-04-17 21:55:41

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Musicstar888 wrote:

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:


We're trying our best. Our songs are better written than most celebrities' songs, and the music is good, too. My friend's mom is going to help us do that, because I think she does something with music as her profession and she understands that this band means a lot to my friend and I.

As long as it means a lot to you.

IT DOES. I am dedicated to it with all my heart, and it means the world to me.  big_smile  It's just a pain to go through the record labels themselves. You have to find one, and then you have to go over there and ask if they like your music, and then you have to sign all these papers-it's too complicated. I CANT THINK ABOUT THIS MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING  yikes !

The best thing to do is live for today. You could get hit by a car tomorrow, so start doing this.
Not only will signing a record label be more protective but you'll obviously get more fampus.

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#24 2011-04-17 21:59:36

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:

12three wrote:


As long as it means a lot to you.

IT DOES. I am dedicated to it with all my heart, and it means the world to me.  big_smile  It's just a pain to go through the record labels themselves. You have to find one, and then you have to go over there and ask if they like your music, and then you have to sign all these papers-it's too complicated. I CANT THINK ABOUT THIS MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING  yikes !

The best thing to do is live for today. You could get hit by a car tomorrow, so start doing this.
Not only will signing a record label be more protective but you'll obviously get more fampus.

True. I just don't really know how to do this though. Or where to start, for that matter.  Do you send them an email saying "Hi my band is in need of a recording contract here is a sample of our music [insert attachment here]"?  Do they have a choice of choosing you or is it their job to just record you even if they're not crazy about your music? (It's not like they WONT be crazy about it, it's good stuff.)


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#25 2011-04-17 22:02:37

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Re: A question for the Scratch Team...

Musicstar888 wrote:

12three wrote:

Musicstar888 wrote:


IT DOES. I am dedicated to it with all my heart, and it means the world to me.  big_smile  It's just a pain to go through the record labels themselves. You have to find one, and then you have to go over there and ask if they like your music, and then you have to sign all these papers-it's too complicated. I CANT THINK ABOUT THIS MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING  yikes !

The best thing to do is live for today. You could get hit by a car tomorrow, so start doing this.
Not only will signing a record label be more protective but you'll obviously get more fampus.

True. I just don't really know how to do this though. Or where to start, for that matter.  Do you send them an email saying "Hi my band is in need of a recording contract here is a sample of our music [insert attachment here]"?  Do they have a choice of choosing you or is it their job to just record you even if they're not crazy about your music? (It's not like they WONT be crazy about it, it's good stuff.)

Of course they have a choice- this is a capitalistic society! If they like or see potential in it, they'll probably ask a few questions and...well, to tell the truth, you should probably just look it up.

Anyways, considering the current competition (i.e. Friday), I don't see why you wouldn't get a recording contract.  tongue


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