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#1 2008-10-05 21:45:15

Digimath
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Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

I had an idea that I think would highlight more projects and create a central starting point for the important aspects about Scratch.  Here’s a project I wrote that simulates a scaled down version of my idea. http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/digimath/283470.

Of course the forums have a great deal of information but the specific posts are sometimes hard to find and over time become outdated.  Individual Scratchers have created many galleries with tutorials and other resources but those galleries become inactive or unmanaged when their owners becomes inactive.

What if a centralized resource existed that had separate sections (or Albums) for specific areas of interest.  For example, Albums on introducing Scratch as a programming language; advanced programming; help with finding sprites and music;  tools for educators, templates for story telling; and best games of the month. A web-page based album would have the advantage of having organized links to useful forum posts, galleries, projects, external web sites about Scratch, as well as comments by the volunteer editors.

Some of the sticky-notes in the Forum have very good compilations of various Scratch resources and examples but even they become out-of-date and cluttered with off-topic posts.

The creation of an album would be done by the Scratch team.  They retain ownership but enlist the help of volunteers.  This would create an authorized layer of organization to allow the true gems in the vast number of forum posts, galleries, projects, and external web sites about Scratch to be easily accessable to the Scratch community.

In addition to keeping their albums up to date, the editors could select two or three projects to be included in a combined album feature page.  While it probably would not be as exciting has having one’s project featured on the front page,  it would still be a way to spotlight the work of a larger number of people.


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#2 2008-10-06 05:18:00

Paddle2See
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

I love the idea of a more structured approach to projects and galleries, maintained by the Community.  Please check out this thread

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=19687#p19687

Several similar proposals were made almost a year ago now.  Are any of these ideas under active development?  I wish I knew...


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#3 2008-10-06 12:28:01

andresmh
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

We're in the process of recruiting developers for the website (it has only been me for the past few months). I like your idea of centrally/volunteer managed albums. What categories do you think we should have?


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#4 2008-10-06 19:03:28

Digimath
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

It looks like there is a lot of  effort and interest in tutorials (beginner and advanced) and Educational resources.  Those would probably be good ones to start with since you’d be more likely to find volunteer editors.  I’d also like too see a album about resources for Scratch projects.   I think a games section would be popular but potentially contentious.   How about a presentation / story telling section?    I’d even like to see one on introducing Scratch to the 4-6 age range.


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#5 2008-10-07 08:28:10

andresmh
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

How would editors decide whether or not to add things to the album?


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#6 2008-10-08 12:19:39

Digimath
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

I assume you’d give the editors a large amount of discretion when selecting projects, galleries, posts or external links when adding to their assigned album.  I think you’d want them to pick the best examples, resources, or tutorials (and continue to update them)

For example, I'd expect the Advanced Tutorial album ought to have links to projects and posts for subjects like:
Scrolling
  Basic scrolling
   Four-way scrolling
   Scrolling with sprits
   Scrolling with a scroll bar
Gravity
   Jumping
   Bouncing
   Projectile
Sorting
   Fastest
   Easiest
   Multi-key sorting
Programming with Style
   Making it readable
   Making it re-usable
Emulating recursion
Dealing with complex sprint layering
Importing data from other sources
Performance considerations
Saving the state of a complex game
Text functions
   Editors
   Sorting and comparing strings
Using Sine and Cosine

There might be some overlap between the albums but I don’t think that it would be frequent.


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#7 2008-10-09 19:00:08

andresmh
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

From your and Paddle2See's proposal it seems that what is at the core of this is the need for a centrally managed taxonomy instead of the user-generated tagging cloud. Something more akin to what libraries have where you can go see an authoritative index and then browse from there. The challenge would be to come up with such taxonomy, perhaps it can be still user-generated but only a small group users can contribute to the creation of the taxonomy and slightly bigger group of users would have the power to add projects and galleries to one of the categories of the taxonomy.

It would be like a tagging system where only some users are allowed to create new tags and tag projects/galleries using those tags.


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#8 2008-10-10 15:12:55

Digimath
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

I think a moderated tag system would be significant improvement,  especially if the interface for the end-user allowed  people to easily browse through and find new things to explore.

Limiting the tags seems necessary, but I think you’d want some sort of  leeway to permit descriptive sub-tags.  For example,  under tutorials I could imagine a tag "how to draw."   This might apply to dozens of projects.  What might be more useful is allow open  levels under a given set of starting levels:

Tutorials
     How to Draw
         Animals       
              Horses
              Dragons
              *
         Objects
              Boxes with Perspective
              *
         People
              Male
              Female

You might want an open-ended miscellaneous anchor for tags that don’t yet have a good fit in the current hierarchy.

While we’re just brainstorming,  I’d like to hang onto two ideas from my first post.  I see a lot of very good information in the forum.  Could the tagging system be extended to individual posts?

I supposed my idea of a secondary "feature page" is a bit frivolous  but I think it would have some value in generating and maintaining interest in the tagging system.  Perhaps your ‘tag agents’ could be allowed to nominate projects to be  featured on a secondary page to provide examples of the tagging system.


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#9 2008-11-28 03:45:22

MartinWollenweber
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Re: Suggested Change to create managed sections (Albums)

at http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10461 Digimath wrote:

Digimath wrote:

Of course the forums have a great deal of information but the specific posts are sometimes hard to find and over time become outdated.  Individual Scratchers have created many galleries with tutorials and other resources but those galleries become inactive or unmanaged when their owners becomes inactive.

I agree to that. One part of the solution is to mix forum an projects in any form, to strengthen discussion an learning of the Scratch-Community. One simple way to do that is at the "my Stuff"-Page like I described in detail here : http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=78970#p78970

andresmh wrote:

I like Martin's idea of a place to put links on your MyStuff to forum posts (or to anywhere else on the Scratch site for that matter). Who else thinks that's a good idea? Who would use it? I have been talking to ericr about the possibility of having a microblog within Scratch that allows people to tell the world what project they are working on, what they are struggling with, etc... kind of like how Facebook Status started.

I also like the community-driven idea to mix it in a sort of "Gallery of galleries", but this must be first "invented", so it will take longer. With forum entries at the "my stuff"-page we could immediately start to test the concept of mixing projects and forum entries and later transfer it to the new "gallery of galleries".
What do you think?

By the way: At http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=72364#p72364 Andres posted (at 2007-03-05):

andresmh wrote:

We're in the process of recruiting developers for the website (it has only been me for the past few months). I like your idea of centrally/volunteer managed albums. What categories do you think we should have?

@Andres: Did you find any until now? There must be some Scratcher with PHP-knowledge outside that are willing to help!?

Last edited by MartinWollenweber (2008-11-28 03:46:09)


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