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#1 2011-03-02 23:53:21

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Is it legal???

OK, here's the story: I'd like to sell some of my scratch games to my friends and other people at my school. The only problem: I don't know if it's legal or not! If anyone knows, PLEASE reply right away, because I need to know so I can make solid plans.


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#2 2011-03-02 23:54:00

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Re: Is it legal???

I think it's illegal.


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#3 2011-03-03 13:32:58

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Re: Is it legal???

I do not think its legal under the copyright policy thingy, and to be honest (No offence meant) I do not think anyone would want to buy a scratch project.

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#4 2011-03-03 13:38:40

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Re: Is it legal???

Getting money from it is not allowed.

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#5 2011-03-03 16:08:58

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Re: Is it legal???

Since Scratch is under the Creative Commons licence, your code has to be open, and so you cannot sell it. Sorry.


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#6 2011-03-03 20:35:39

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Re: Is it legal???

Harakou wrote:

Since Scratch is under the Creative Commons licence, your code has to be open, and so you cannot sell it. Sorry.

so, if I gave an open file for anyone to take of the game on the cd, would it be legal?


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#7 2011-03-03 21:39:49

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Re: Is it legal???

Yes, you can give anyone a copy of the CD, as long as you don't sell it for your own profit. If you'd like profit, turn to Flash, or XCode for Mac download games.

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#8 2011-03-03 21:54:26

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Re: Is it legal???

I think you can sell the CD. But not the contents of the CD. Basicly charge them for the cost of the CD so no loss or profit is made.


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#9 2011-03-03 23:07:12

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Re: Is it legal???

It's gotta be really good.  lol  Otherwise they won't buy it. But I think Harakou's right. Although, my friend made a game in scratch, and got it put on the iPod app store, and earns like $.99 every 4 days.  tongue  I don't know what he went through legally.

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#10 2011-03-03 23:21:55

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Re: Is it legal???

Necromaster wrote:

It's gotta be really good.  lol  Otherwise they won't buy it. But I think Harakou's right. Although, my friend made a game in scratch, and got it put on the iPod app store, and earns like $.99 every 4 days.  tongue  I don't know what he went through legally.

That's cool! So he can program in Objective-C?


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#11 2011-03-04 01:30:53

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Re: Is it legal???

Umm! Not exactly. It will be wrong thing since Scratch system do not permits this officially and it can put the person in trouble any moment a buyer finds the story behind it. I mean the projects are meant to be available for free here.

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#12 2011-03-04 08:48:32

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Re: Is it legal???

Actually, I don't believe there is anything in the Scratch license that prevents you from selling your games, if you can find a buyer.   Anything distributed on the Scratch website must be shared for free...but if you choose to distribute in some other fashion, you can charge money.

And if you end up making a bunch of money, please consider a donation to Scratch  smile


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#13 2011-03-04 10:03:52

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Re: Is it legal???

Necromaster wrote:

It's gotta be really good.  lol  Otherwise they won't buy it. But I think Harakou's right. Although, my friend made a game in scratch, and got it put on the iPod app store, and earns like $.99 every 4 days.  tongue  I don't know what he went through legally.

iPods can use scratch?


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#14 2011-03-04 15:45:39

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Re: Is it legal???

Paddle2See wrote:

Actually, I don't believe there is anything in the Scratch license that prevents you from selling your games, if you can find a buyer.   Anything distributed on the Scratch website must be shared for free...but if you choose to distribute in some other fashion, you can charge money.

And if you end up making a bunch of money, please consider a donation to Scratch  smile

Oh, really? I always though the Creative Commons license applied to projects made with it as well. My mistake.


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#15 2011-03-04 15:57:42

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Re: Is it legal???

Nope. That's why you are allowed to keep the code of a project hidden (for example, if you embed it in your website) on your private server.

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#16 2011-03-05 18:36:02

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Re: Is it legal???

Actually, it is legal and as Paddle2See said above, the license doesn't have anything that says you can't sell products. So, good luck and may the llamas bless you with good luck and many profit!  big_smile  Don't forget to donate to Scratch, too.  wink


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#17 2011-03-05 19:16:05

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Re: Is it legal???

Paddle2See wrote:

Actually, I don't believe there is anything in the Scratch license that prevents you from selling your games, if you can find a buyer.   Anything distributed on the Scratch website must be shared for free...but if you choose to distribute in some other fashion, you can charge money.

And if you end up making a bunch of money, please consider a donation to Scratch  smile

Awesome! Question- are we allowed to advertise projects for sale on the forums?

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#18 2011-03-05 19:26:01

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Re: Is it legal???

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Awesome! Question- are we allowed to advertise projects for sale on the forums?

Yeah, sure, as long the project is using Scratch. I'm sure it'll be okay.  big_smile  Perhaps, you can ask one of the Scratch Team members for further qustioning.

if the project uses Java, C ++ or C #, just post it in miscellanous forums. Good luck!

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#19 2011-03-05 19:27:06

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Re: Is it legal???

kingofdallamas wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Awesome! Question- are we allowed to advertise projects for sale on the forums?

Yeah, sure, as long the project is related to Scratch. I'm sure it'll be okay.  big_smile  Perhaps, you can ask one of the Scratch Team members for further qustioning.

lol the question was more directed towards Paddle2See. I guess I should have quoted him in the post xD


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#20 2011-03-05 19:36:52

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Re: Is it legal???

Alright, so the Share Alike license states that you're allowed to copy, distribute, and transmit the work. When you create a derivative work (i.e. a project), your derivative work must share the same license as the original work. What does this mean? Even if you do sell your work, anyone buying it is allowed to distribute it in any way they see fit- even posting it online and stuff. So basically, only one person has to buy it in order for a ton of people to be able to see it (that is, if the person posts it online, a ton of people can see it). Still, that's one buy  tongue .


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#21 2011-03-05 23:09:55

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Re: Is it legal???

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

kingofdallamas wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Awesome! Question- are we allowed to advertise projects for sale on the forums?

Yeah, sure, as long the project is related to Scratch. I'm sure it'll be okay.  big_smile  Perhaps, you can ask one of the Scratch Team members for further qustioning.

lol the question was more directed towards Paddle2See. I guess I should have quoted him in the post xD

Yeah, I kind of figured, but I answer things whether it's referred to someone or anybody.  lol

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#22 2011-03-05 23:28:39

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Re: Is it legal???

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Actually, I don't believe there is anything in the Scratch license that prevents you from selling your games, if you can find a buyer.   Anything distributed on the Scratch website must be shared for free...but if you choose to distribute in some other fashion, you can charge money.

And if you end up making a bunch of money, please consider a donation to Scratch  smile

Awesome! Question- are we allowed to advertise projects for sale on the forums?

There have been cases where a regular Scratch user has advertised something on the forums and the issue had otherwise been let go, but other times it has not - chances are that you would have to run it pass by the Scratch Team to see if they give the OK to do so.


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#23 2011-03-05 23:32:57

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Re: Is it legal???

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Alright, so the Share Alike license states that you're allowed to copy, distribute, and transmit the work. When you create a derivative work (i.e. a project), your derivative work must share the same license as the original work. What does this mean? Even if you do sell your work, anyone buying it is allowed to distribute it in any way they see fit- even posting it online and stuff. So basically, only one person has to buy it in order for a ton of people to be able to see it (that is, if the person posts it online, a ton of people can see it). Still, that's one buy  tongue .

Here's the thing: the license is added onto the Scratch project if it has been uploaded to the Scratch website - but if the user never uploaded the project to the website, then the user has the say in what type of license to apply to the project, if any at all (Theoretically, the user could keep all copyrights to a project and not apply any kind of distribution or sharing license, which would be the ideal case here since the project is intended to be sold).


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#24 2011-03-05 23:55:02

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Re: Is it legal???

cheddargirl wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Alright, so the Share Alike license states that you're allowed to copy, distribute, and transmit the work. When you create a derivative work (i.e. a project), your derivative work must share the same license as the original work. What does this mean? Even if you do sell your work, anyone buying it is allowed to distribute it in any way they see fit- even posting it online and stuff. So basically, only one person has to buy it in order for a ton of people to be able to see it (that is, if the person posts it online, a ton of people can see it). Still, that's one buy  tongue .

Here's the thing: the license is added onto the Scratch project if it has been uploaded to the Scratch website - but if the user never uploaded the project to the website, then the user has the say in what type of license to apply to the project, if any at all (Theoretically, the user could keep all copyrights to a project and not apply any kind of distribution or sharing license, which would be the ideal case here since the project is intended to be sold).

Ah. Unfortunately, it'd still be likely that, if the people had any experience with Scratch before, they'd post the project online. Of course, there's always the choice of modding Scratch...


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#25 2011-03-05 23:57:59

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Re: Is it legal???

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

Alright, so the Share Alike license states that you're allowed to copy, distribute, and transmit the work. When you create a derivative work (i.e. a project), your derivative work must share the same license as the original work. What does this mean? Even if you do sell your work, anyone buying it is allowed to distribute it in any way they see fit- even posting it online and stuff. So basically, only one person has to buy it in order for a ton of people to be able to see it (that is, if the person posts it online, a ton of people can see it). Still, that's one buy  tongue .

Here's the thing: the license is added onto the Scratch project if it has been uploaded to the Scratch website - but if the user never uploaded the project to the website, then the user has the say in what type of license to apply to the project, if any at all (Theoretically, the user could keep all copyrights to a project and not apply any kind of distribution or sharing license, which would be the ideal case here since the project is intended to be sold).

Ah. Unfortunately, it'd still be likely that, if the people had any experience with Scratch before, they'd post the project online. Of course, there's always the choice of modding Scratch...

In that case the project owner could ask for the project to be taken down under the case of copyright infringement since the original project was not covered under the Share-Alike License.


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