I think these violent projects stink. On most of them people say 'great' or 'I like it' and nobody bothers to flag it. I think some people out there that can try to stop these projects or just flag them. Please help this cause because I hate stumbling across these projects and I know many users do too. <loud?>
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Some people are more tolerant to violence, while others are, well, less tolerant... It often causes confusions - what should be flagged?
Actually, there's a whole topic that discusses the issue: http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=14210
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If there's excessive amounts of blood/gore, you should flag it. But if it's unrealistic or needed for the project (one about the body for example), just leave it.
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hmnwilson wrote:
If there's excessive amounts of blood/gore, you should flag it. But if it's unrealistic or needed for the project (one about the body for example), just leave it.
Why flag it? Obviously that person put a lot of work into making it more realistic. There should be some other way to deal with it.
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It depends on your conceptions about violence. I make shooting games, but those aren't excessively violent. It all depends what you mean
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juststickman wrote:
hmnwilson wrote:
If there's excessive amounts of blood/gore, you should flag it. But if it's unrealistic or needed for the project (one about the body for example), just leave it.
Why flag it? Obviously that person put a lot of work into making it more realistic. There should be some other way to deal with it.
Its still really gross and inappropriate
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It is true that some projects have plenty of blood and gore, and is unacceptable. But most projects are quite okay for that level. Sure enough, some people are very strong pacifists or vegetarians, so it is understandable why they do not like the projects. But you can not forget the majority of people, who may be disgusted by excessive blood and gore, but do not care much if they see a project with some of it. Excessive amounts can be flagged if it really is too much, but otherwise people will just have to tolerate it.
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About violent projects, I've seen two of them - Headless Cat (which I flagged) and Homer Dies. In headless cat, you have to run a train over the Scratch Cat, so he gets headless with huge amount of blood. Homer isn't so violent for me, it's just about Homer Simpson being burnt by nuclear blast...
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i think that flagging the project is not a very nice idea, what if they worked really hard on it? why not have a rating system on scratch, any game that thinks they shouldn't be rated E could rate themself higher.
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If you think it's too violent, just don't view. It's not like you HAVE to view. (if only this applied to certain classes in school )
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Jonathanpb wrote:
It is true that some projects have plenty of blood and gore, and is unacceptable. But most projects are quite okay for that level. Sure enough, some people are very strong pacifists or vegetarians, so it is understandable why they do not like the projects. But you can not forget the majority of people, who may be disgusted by excessive blood and gore, but do not care much if they see a project with some of it. Excessive amounts can be flagged if it really is too much, but otherwise people will just have to tolerate it.
i'm a vegetarian
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There shouldn't be much bother about this... use your instincts.
What should be flagged:
A shooting game with blood and guts exploding everywhere. The remnants of the enemies get left behind, bleeding and you can hear sounds saying things such as "Look at that blood".
What shouldn't be flagged:
A simple game that involves shooting down enemies. Nothing like blood explosions, just the enemies falling down and Stamping or something like that.
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yes, but super violent things may not be appropriate for smaller ones.
if you were 5 on scratch, would you be okay seeing a super violent project? then what if your parents saw it and prevented you from scratching? ooh! so fun!
or someone might be too scared to view another one of these projects and won't scratch anymore! great idea!
(btw, it's you're. learn your spelling.)
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My opinion is that you should only flag it if it's very realistic.
Often, blood is just red stuff in the paint editor. Don't flag that.
Also, for example, if the blood is from a gunshot wound it's inappropriate, but don't flag it if someone stepped on a splinter.
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This is Icerose on Wisegirl's account, and I say it depends. I always put a blood warning in front of gory projects, so if they know they are sensitive to blood they won't watch, and if they did, it's their fault they didn't read the warning.
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Let's see.
Blood is blood. Real people bleed. If you play a videogame with no blood (when people get hurt), how realistic is that? "Oh, I can hurt people and they won't bleed! Yay! Fun!"
Now, if there's blood: "Maybe I shouldn't do this in real life. It looked like it hurt a lot, there's blood all over the place."
A 5-year-old is not going to be banned from going on scratch from seeing a bloody project. If they are, their parents have a problem. Blood is real, and you can't escape it. If you never want your child to see blood, don't have a child. It's going to happen.
People like killing and guns in games. COD, Battlefield, Halo. I see no reason why we can't have violent projets.
Then again, a fair warning might be provided, or the option to turn the blood off.
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owetre18 wrote:
Let's see.
Blood is blood. Real people bleed. If you play a videogame with no blood (when people get hurt), how realistic is that? "Oh, I can hurt people and they won't bleed! Yay! Fun!"
Now, if there's blood: "Maybe I shouldn't do this in real life. It looked like it hurt a lot, there's blood all over the place."
A 5-year-old is not going to be banned from going on scratch from seeing a bloody project. If they are, their parents have a problem. Blood is real, and you can't escape it. If you never want your child to see blood, don't have a child. It's going to happen.
People like killing and guns in games. COD, Battlefield, Halo. I see no reason why we can't have violent projets.
Then again, a fair warning might be provided, or the option to turn the blood off.
Yeah, let's all just forget the fact that Scratch is FOR ALL AGES.
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I wonder if this game I made would count as "Violent"
http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Tylerhan2000/2025184
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owetre18 wrote:
Let's see.
Blood is blood. Real people bleed. If you play a videogame with no blood (when people get hurt), how realistic is that? "Oh, I can hurt people and they won't bleed! Yay! Fun!"
Now, if there's blood: "Maybe I shouldn't do this in real life. It looked like it hurt a lot, there's blood all over the place."
A 5-year-old is not going to be banned from going on scratch from seeing a bloody project. If they are, their parents have a problem. Blood is real, and you can't escape it. If you never want your child to see blood, don't have a child. It's going to happen.
People like killing and guns in games. COD, Battlefield, Halo. I see no reason why we can't have violent projets.
Then again, a fair warning might be provided, or the option to turn the blood off.
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owetre18 wrote:
Let's see.
Blood is blood. Real people bleed. If you play a videogame with no blood (when people get hurt), how realistic is that? "Oh, I can hurt people and they won't bleed! Yay! Fun!"
Now, if there's blood: "Maybe I shouldn't do this in real life. It looked like it hurt a lot, there's blood all over the place."
A 5-year-old is not going to be banned from going on scratch from seeing a bloody project. If they are, their parents have a problem. Blood is real, and you can't escape it. If you never want your child to see blood, don't have a child. It's going to happen.
People like killing and guns in games. COD, Battlefield, Halo. I see no reason why we can't have violent projets.
Then again, a fair warning might be provided, or the option to turn the blood off.
I don't necessarily believe that parents want to avoid their children seeing blood altogether, it's more likely that they don't want to have their children seeing blood through something where the violence is part of a game mechanism, and they [the parents] would rather talk to the child first regarding violence in general. I'd imagine the same idea goes for other questionable material in popular media where parents struggle to determine whether or not it's okay to have their child exposed to it.
Trekkie210 wrote:
Yeah, let's all just forget the fact that Scratch is FOR ALL AGES.
There is actually *some* threshold for violent projects on the site. Sometimes a project containing mild violence (think along the lines of cartoon violence in kid shows) will remain on the site, but such projects will be marked as NFE when flagged. NFE projects are usually projects that are allowed on the site but not emphasized on the site as being a good project example (and therefore cannot hit the front page).
Back when I was a newbie to the site, I posed a question asking what would be overly violent to post on Scratch. This post made by Bokonon, as a reply to my question before regarding violent projects explains the issue into greater detail.
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