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LS97 · 2011-01-21 15:57:43

The_Dancing_Donut wrote:
Only 14.41% of projects contain the 'Forever If' block, less than a fifth. We'd live without it, I'm sure.

How many project contain the Stop Script block?
Can we live without that one?
No.

We can't live without this one either.
15% is loads!! It's just under 1/6 of the projects.
In average, 4 projects on the front page use it. Not a little amount.

Shadowed1 · 2011-01-21 16:06:15

lucari0 wrote:
I couldn't disagrree more. Almost all of my projects use the forever block once or twice. Without that block, I'd have to delete all of my stuff, and I have alot. I mean, seriously, whats so bad about it? It's helpful, to like, half the projects on the site! lets keep this in!

<forever>
<end>

It's not the forever block, that would be suicidal. No, this is the useless forever if block that's the same as a forever and an if inside it. I don't know what kind of purpose the forever if block plays yikes

<forever if> sucks

The_Dancing_Donut · 2011-01-21 16:10:26

LS97 wrote:
The_Dancing_Donut wrote:
Only 14.41% of projects contain the 'Forever If' block, less than a fifth. We'd live without it, I'm sure.
How many project contain the Stop Script block?
Can we live without that one?
No.

We can't live without this one either.
15% is loads!! It's just under 1/6 of the projects.
In average, 4 projects on the front page use it. Not a little amount.

Well sure, but there's a simpler, easier-to-understand way of scripting a project to do the same thing.

Simple = Better

The Forever If block is very easily mixed up with other block combinations. I don't see the point in it.

mathematics · 2011-01-22 09:48:30

But 14.41% is a great number... 216,337 projects use the block...

ian528 · 2011-01-22 11:38:37

I never use the "forever if" block........

ian528 · 2011-01-22 21:38:27

It mixes me up! >.<

Chrischb · 2011-01-22 22:58:36

mathematics wrote:
But 14.41% is a great number... 216,337 projects use the block...

Lol yeah tongue
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I don't see what's so bad about an unnecessary block; there are blocks out there like "next costume" that aren't necessary either.

scimonster · 2011-01-23 00:36:45

The problem is that [blocks]<next costume>[/blocks] is quite self explanatory while [blocks]<forever if>[/blocks] is not.

kayybee · 2011-01-23 00:49:03

but you don't need "next costume"

if you were to get rid of "forever if" you might as well get rid of both.

change to costume [costume #+1]

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Chatter · 2011-01-23 00:49:05

I don't think it should be removed. I use a lot and I know how to use it.

If you don't know how to use it, you can right-click on the block, click on help from the drop down list and see its function smile

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mathematics · 2011-01-23 04:02:32

If you look at the "help screen" of the <if> block, you'll find out that the Scratch Team don't like to use the <forever if> block! They prefer <forever> <if>! big_smile

EDIT: Wait. They have to use the <if> block because it's the "help screen" of the <if> block... so, never mind. tongue

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scimonster · 2011-01-23 04:12:23

But the forever if block's help screen isn't great.
Should it be 'The Scratch Team doesn't like to use the <forever if> block!'? Better grammar.

paperninjamaster · 2011-01-28 12:30:04

Sometimes... (I Noticed) That The Forever and if blocks work less glitchy that the one forever if block.

mathematics · 2011-01-29 01:06:53

scimonster wrote:
Should it be 'The Scratch Team doesn't like to use the <forever if> block!'? Better grammar.

I have been wondering about that for a long time... should "Scratch Team" be used as a singular or plural noun?

johndo77 · 2011-01-29 08:45:11

mathematics wrote:
scimonster wrote:
Should it be 'The Scratch Team doesn't like to use the <forever if> block!'? Better grammar.
I have been wondering about that for a long time... should "Scratch Team" be used as a singular or plural noun?

Think of only the word, "team." It's singular.

Anyway, the "forever if" block did confuse me for a while because i didn't know what the difference between "forever if" and "forever" and "if" was. Then I realized that there wasn't one. roll

peterkap · 2011-01-29 10:52:50

I disagree and agree:
Disagree:I even use it alot.It is good to use.Without it a lot of cool awesome loved projects wouldn't be loved right now with it.
Agree:It does cause problems for me too.Like if I want to play a song only for a certain time.I get confused.I use forever so it won't stop.
Disagree:90%
Agree:10%

lucari0 · 2011-01-29 12:18:58

Shadowed1 wrote:
lucari0 wrote:
I couldn't disagrree more. Almost all of my projects use the forever block once or twice. Without that block, I'd have to delete all of my stuff, and I have alot. I mean, seriously, whats so bad about it? It's helpful, to like, half the projects on the site! lets keep this in!

<forever>
<end>
It's not the forever block, that would be suicidal. No, this is the useless forever if block that's the same as a forever and an if inside it. I don't know what kind of purpose the forever if block plays

oh, oops. I agree that you could just use a forever and an if, but many projects would fail to run without it. I think it should stay in.

scimonster · 2011-01-29 12:40:39

@EveryoneWhoIsSayingThatProjectsWillNotRunIfThisIsImplemented: It will just be added to the list of obsolete blocks that are red and work, but can't be newly dragged out.

scimonster · 2011-02-01 03:06:29

While it's true I am supporting this, my Super-Puters highly rely on it for quick script building and running.
Let's think through exactly what we would gain, and what we would lose i this was removed.

-iNetMaster- · 2011-02-01 12:13:59

I agree. smile

supergarfield · 2011-02-05 20:45:26

thers a flaw with removing it...if your useing a progect that has it you cant use it sad

OldWheezerGeezer · 2011-02-05 21:00:10

I agree. Support this completely.

LS97 · 2011-02-06 16:07:48

supergarfield wrote:
thers a flaw with removing it...if your useing a progect that has it you cant use it

We've been discussing this issue throughout this topic, and it's been said even very recently that it would be added to the obsolete category (projects that use it aren't ruined but the block cannot be used in new projects).

I still don't agree though, as I use it still today and it's really useful to me. Saves the painful dragging out of two different blocks big_smile
(^^bringing up the 14.41% ) JK

Enzo1997 · 2011-02-06 16:34:54

Worthless Blocks are ever so easy to find...

Motion:
Turn 15 Degrees ()
Turn 15 Degrees ()
Go To []
Change x by ()
Change y by ()
Set x to ()
Set y to ()
If on edge bounce

Looks:
Next Costume
Change [] effect by ()
Change size by ()

Sound:
Change Volume by ()
Change Tempo by ()

Pen:
None

Control:
Repeat ()
Forever if <>
If <>
Wait Until <>
Stop Script
Stop All

Sensing:
Distance to []
[] of []

The-Critic · 2011-02-06 16:55:07

enzo i disagree with more than 80% of those. I use forever if and if all the time. everything with change x,y or ste x,y i use. go to and if on edge bounce help with games that need to have things randomly move liek dodgeing games as well asturning helps with those games. repeat, wait until, and stop script are alway helpful. All of those might not be important to you bcause ive seen some of your games that are really good, but to other scratchers like me, we use them all the time.

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