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sanddude wrote:

My family's going to get a HDTV for our game room, and a game system for it.

We have narrowed it down to two TV's (both 46 inches):
-Hitachi Ultravision
-Samsung LN46

Which one do you think we should get?

Also, we're getting a game system. We are settling on either XBox 360 or PS3.

Tell me which one I should get. Pros and cons for each are strongly appreciated.

I can't say because my family has lived with this:
Since 1996 
And it still is just as good as any 50inch lcd tv 
We were thinking of getting something newer but decided not to 
OB6160

Last edited by ob6160 (2010-12-20 09:20:58)

sanddude wrote:

ob6160 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

My family's going to get a HDTV for our game room, and a game system for it.

We have narrowed it down to two TV's (both 46 inches):
-Hitachi Ultravision
-Samsung LN46

Which one do you think we should get?

Also, we're getting a game system. We are settling on either XBox 360 or PS3.

Tell me which one I should get. Pros and cons for each are strongly appreciated.

I can't say because my family has lived with this: http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr32 … 000538.jpg
Since I was born 

OB6160

My family has two TV's like that currently, but we want to make our game room a better hang-out spot, so we're getting a TV, and we want an HD one.


What about gaming systems.

In that case U should get the Samsung LN46 because they look better 
For the gaming system u should get one of those new fangled xbox 360's (Because Microsoft made it     )

OB6160

Last edited by ob6160 (2010-12-20 09:23:35)

I don't know about the TV, but you should get a 360. The BLU-Ray player in the ps3 isn't worth the extra money because it doesn't affect the gaming in any way.

Here are some of the things xbox has...

something I said a few days ago wrote:

...and the hundreds of HD arcade games for free or very little money (Castle Crashers, LIMBO, I made a ga3m w1th zombiez in1t, Toy Soldiers, Doritos Crash Course, Soul Calibur 6, Super Meat Boy [Rhy plays it], the original Street Fighter, Small Arms etc)

the fighting games (Tekken, Marvel vs Capcom, Street Fighter, DC vs somfin)

the RPGs (Fable, Kingdon Under Fire and such)

the racing games (Test Drive Unlimited, Burnout, Need for Speed, Full Auto etc.)

the family games (1 vs 100, various board games)

the zombie games (Dead Space, Left for Dead etc)

horror games (Alan Wake etc)

Kinect (which doesn't have any really good stuff on it because it just came out)

And various other games I don't know the genre of

Videos and demos of games yet to be released

You can burn your music into the hard drive and watch music videos

You can have face to face chats with people online

Facebook and Twitter and ESPN and Netflix and Zune

It has a giant shop of movies and whole seasons of shows

Plus the xbox has the largest and most diverse online gaming community of any system. Oh and it has way more higher rated games than Ps3.

Last edited by steppenwulf (2010-12-20 10:36:15)

sanddude wrote:

My family's going to get a HDTV for our game room, and a game system for it.

We have narrowed it down to two TV's (both 46 inches):
-Hitachi Ultravision
-Samsung LN46

Which one do you think we should get?

Also, we're getting a game system. We are settling on either XBox 360 or PS3.

Tell me which one I should get. Pros and cons for each are strongly appreciated.

XBOX360:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Pros-and-Cons-to-Consider-Before-Buying-an-Xbox-360&id=837218 wrote:

If you are a gamer, if you have a close relationship to a gamer, if you have a child who is a gamer or could be gamer, or if you ever watch television you have at least heard of the Xbox 360. By some, it is considered the greatest gaming console on the market today. Yet, others are still in love with their Play stations and will remain faithful to them always. If you are thinking about buying the 360, even if it is just a casual thought, or if you would just like to sound more inform that next time you are with your gaming friends than maybe you would like to learn more about some of the pros and cons of this system.

Pros:

---Many people will agree that the graphics on the Xbox 360 is great. Are they better than the graphics on the newer Playstation (the PS3)? That question is debatable. Most people will say that the PS3 is better. Yet, most will still agree that it has better graphics that the popular Nintendo Wii.

---The Xbox 360 was released before the PS3. This means you have a better selection of new games and accessories than you do for the PS3.

---The Xbox 360 is cheaper than the PS3. The machine generally sells for $299 while the PS3 sells for $499.

---If you buy the extra HD-DVD drive for the X-Box 360 you can watch DVD movies on it. It usually runs at around $199.

---It also comes with X-box live. Once you sign up for it, you can download games and music. You can also play online multiplayer games.

---Soon it will also allow you to buy movies and TV shows online and then download them onto your machine (if all goes as planned).

---You can buy wireless controllers for this machine as well. This makes game play so much easier. The receivers run at around $20 and will work up to four headsets and four wireless controllers at the same time. The headsets run about $60 and have a battery power that will run up to eight hours. The wireless controllers run about $50 and have a battery life of about 40 hours.

Sounds pretty good so far? Now you are probably wondering about the cons.

----First there is the price. Yes, the Xbox 360 is selling cheaper than the PS3. Yet, the price is still considered a bit much for the casual gamer or someone on a budget.

---If you aren't into hardcore games, than you won't have as many choices of new games to choose from for the Xbox. Most of their newer games are considered hardcore.

---The Xbox console itself is loud when playing. This can be especially annoying if you are playing a DVD movie. What is the solution for this problem? By turning up the volume of the machine you do not have to hear the swirling noise as much. Yet, this can be as annoying, too.

---The Xbox 360's power source is ugly and heavy. It doesn't really go with the sleek look of the machine. You also have to be careful where you place it. You don't want to sit it close to other objects because it can overheat and become a fire hazard.

PS3: (be prepared for a VERY long read)

Robert Yahoo! Contributor Network wrote:

I have read in many places opinions of many people that disliked the PS3 or liked the PS3 with a certain bias. I will certainly not deny that my post will be somewhat biased
in itself. However, I will try my best to be as objective as possible in this delicate subject.  Also, if you find that some of my info are incorrect, feel free to call me an idiot and correct me.

The PS3 has caused quite a stirring over the past 2 years: from a general excitement to astonishment to disappointment. How did this happen? Let's look at what Sony did right, and what they did wrong, and every shades of gray in between.

Pros:
1. Cell- 8 cores, 7 active, 1 for redundancy. Why is this good? This is excellent for the consumers. It solves a lot of defects, reducing complaints and defective systems. Sony learned something from their PS2 fiasco. But aside from its ability to warrant from damage, the Cell processor is a dedicated processor especially designed for gaming. How? Because of its 7 core architecture, Cell allows developers to designate each core to a specific task. This allow multitasking at its peak. What does this mean to games? More sparks, more people, more physics, better AI, more particles, more of everything at the same time on the same HD TV. The Cell processor undoubted sets the PS3 a bar ahead of all other consoles.

2. Blue-Ray Disk- 52 gig of space to use. No matter how you look at it, bigger space is better. More room for developers to fill. Better graphics, sounds, physics, AI, longer games, more modes, more maps, everything. A $1000 value, now yours for only $600. Play movies at high definition, games at high def. BR is very important to gaming. With a new leap in generation, came a new leap in media. Sony had always shown this: PS-CD, PS2-DVD, PS3-BD. This technology removes the limit that developers get when making a game.

3. Sony- This may not be a pro (probably a shade of gray). But Sony has established itself in the industry. Leading the gaming industry, Sony has been regarded as an elite manufacturer. Consumers trust Sony, especially
Playstation. The fanbase of this title causes great support, which will drive BD, lowering the cost of production, which is good for consumers.

4. Games- Why do gamers buy consoles? For the games, of course. PS3 is backwards compatible to all previous Playstation/PS2 titles. Great games such as FF, MGS, DMC, KZ, Soccom, Assassin's Creed, Heavenly Sword, etc are all Playstation exclusives and will probably stay that way. With such attractive games, Playstation 3 has a great chance of delivering in the third round.

5. 3rd party support- PS3 has an extensive amount of 3rd party supporters from all over the world. It is the most supported system out of the three consoles. This probably means, more games, more innovations, etc. More developments will create a better understanding of the PS3, thus allowing better utilization and better optimization.

6. Controller- (shade of gray) Ok, I know you are probably saying, "Sony is a thief, they stole the controller from Nintendo." And I agree. However, it doesn't change the fact that motion sensor is a good thing. Combined with standard and extremely comfortable control scheme with R2 and L2 buttons enlarged to form trigger-like buttons, the controller offers both innovation and comfort. But a lack of rumble seriously dampens the entire situation. Undoubtedly, a 3rd party controller will arise to fill the rumble along with the motion sensor. But just like the Wiimote, the DualSensor? controller allows a lot of innovative games and creativity in the PS3 game lineup.

7. Playstation Network- (shade of gray) Sony can seriously screw this up. Even though they are copying Live, it doesn't change the fact that unified and free *for now* online gaming is an excellent idea, just like copying the Wiimote. I'll reiterate: FREE ONLINE GAMING. There...however, this is Sony's first time doing this, so it might be a piece of junk compared to Live. But judging from screenshots, it doesn't look that bad. By the way, it looks just like the PSP OS thing which is kinda cool.

8. Hard Drives- With the PS3, hard drives are now STANDARD. This means that developers will be able to use the hard drives to drive gameplay or to speed up and reduce load time. This allows a lot of flexibility for
games. It can be used for downloads, game saves, music saves, etc. I am personally really excited about this.

9. 1080p- True HD. Although games probably wont reach this resolution in the next few years, eventually, games will use it, and it will be big. It will be one of the points that leads PS3 ahead of its competitions. Grand Turismo demo at E3 2006 showed that the PS3 is capable of running a game at 1080p at 60 frames per second. If developers can do it now, wait till 4 years from now.

10. Web Browsing- Just like the PSP. This is probably an obvious step, considering that the PS3 allows usb plug-ins for keyboard and mouse. The PS3 will be like a mini-computer. The web browsing feature will be useful. I would love to sit on my couch, turn on my 32" HD TV, and check my email. How cool is that!. A small advantage, but it is pretty cool.

11. PSP- The PS3 can connect to the PSP to enhence gameplay. So far, all we've seen is the F1 demo where the PSP was used as a mirror for the car, but this can be an interesting functionality. Sony has also announced that the PSP can also be a controller for the PS3, which is kinda cool, but I'd rather have the wireless PS3 controllers.

Cons:
1. Cost- You've been waiting for it. First of all, let me say this. PS3 IS EXPENSIVE. $500 for core, $600 for premium. Doesn't matter how good a deal this is, gamers should not have to pay so much to play games. With a lot of excessive stuff that most gamers wont use, this price seems extremely rediculous.

2. Blue-Ray: Wha? Wasn't it in the Pro section? Yup, but the cost of manufacturing these things might drive up the price of games, which is bad news. With mass production, though, the cost should be lowered. However, if BD is not received like DVD was, then the prices will still be high. If BD turns out like the UMD, then this is really bad for consumers.

3. Size- Not a big deal, but PS3 is the biggest console in the last 2 generation of console gaming. Xbox didn't claim gold because Japanese market and other asian markets felt that it was too big and clunky. But now that the PS3 is bigger, we'll see what the reaction is.

4. Prices- This is not the same. Prices of games is what i mean. Kaz Harai said in an interview with GI, that games could potentially be priced at $60-99. He said, it wont go to 99, but it might be higher than 60. Bad,
bad news. First, expensive console, now expensive games...

5. Architecture- Cell is very unique. Too unique. Even though developers say that it is not as hard as the PS2 to develop for, but it still is the hardest architecture to develop for in the next gen consoles *of course, no words about Wii devs yet, but they are generally good and easy*. But if we take a look at the PS2 and its success, maybe PS3 wouldn't have such a hard time anyways.

6. No Rumble- No rumble feature. Lawsuit with Immersion costs them one of the most important part of the DualShock controller. It doesn't have the Shock anymore. Games will not be able to utilize the rumble features anymore, unless they make it as an option for 3rd party controllers. This means that consumers must buy additional controllers if they want this feature.

7. Defects- Even with redundancy, the PS3 will have defects. It is a common fact of consoles. Every console launch will have defects. Lets just hope that PS3 doesn't have the dreaded and infamouse PS2 DRE of Death.

8. Marginal improvements- PS3 will be marginally better than its competitions in the ealier life of its generation. we probably wont see much of a difference for the next 2 years, so expect the games to look good, but not explosively good.

And Finally Krazy Ken- Yes, Ken Kutaragi. he will ruin the PS3. Almost everything he said are hurtful to the PS3, especially when he lies. If the PS3 doesn't claim champion, I will blame him.

I hope this article was helpful. I will probably get the PS3 after a price drop. I suggest you to do the same because it allows you to see what games the PS3 has and how is BD doing in the movies department, creating easier decisions. Anyways, to decide what console you should get, you should always look the the games it offers. Depending on the types of games you like, choose the console that specialize in that interest. Gook Luck, Have Fun, and Enjoy Next Generation, and I will see you in the skys of WarHawk.

So, if you like Wii style gaming, choose PS3, but good luck. It'll take a while to get used to the controls. I have a Wii, so I can tell you about adapting to a motion detecting controller. If you like violent games, choose the XBOX360. Hard choice, but if you have the $500 to get the PS3, get it.

Last edited by yoshidude56 (2010-12-20 10:38:34)

Targethero wrote:

steppenwulf wrote:

The BLU-Ray player in the ps3 isn't worth it because it doesn't affect the gaming in any way.

Thats not the point of the Blu-Ray player. Its there to alow users to play movies in Blu-Ray. Not games..

Actually, Blu-Ray is used for games. It can store more than a regular DVD.

yoshidude56 wrote:

Targethero wrote:

steppenwulf wrote:

The BLU-Ray player in the ps3 isn't worth it because it doesn't affect the gaming in any way.

Thats not the point of the Blu-Ray player. Its there to alow users to play movies in Blu-Ray. Not games..

Actually, Blu-Ray is used for games. It can store more than a regular DVD.

I know that, Im saying sonys reason for including the Blu-ray player was not to give the games a sharper look. It was to play Blu-ray movies.

steppenwulf wrote:

yoshidude56 wrote:

Really long wall of text

I can tell those articles are outdated. There are alot of things wrong with it (assassins creed isn't ps3 exclusive, the xbox headsets arent $60 for normal ones, there are grammatical mistakes, and others). Those were probably written a year or two ago. Don't trust what they say.

Exactly wat i was going to mention    It says the PS3 lists for $499. They havent been retailed for that price in quite a while. lol.

Excbucks has 3D support on a select few games atm O:

08jackt wrote:

Pros
Xbox 360: (I own one, and prefer it)
-Thanks to Microsoft, you get access to DLC a few days before the PS3
-More extras; foxtel, ect.
-Bigger gaming library: including many awesomez including Halo and Fable.
-Larger online download service
-More dedicated sever
-Find games faster due to bigger popularity and severs
-Xbox avatars
-First party Support for Windows Vista/7 connectivity (for media, fileshare, ect.)
-Kinect
-3D support
-DVD player

PS3:
-Slightly better graphics
-Although smaller, the PS3 library is still great; LittleBIGPlanet, Gran Terismo and Heavy Rain
-Free online gaming
-PS3 move (nah- that was a joke.  )
-Plays Blu Ray DVDS
-3D support
-Great media center
-DVD player

Really, it's up to you. But, may I suggest, if for what ever reason, you don't own a wii, get out. Otherwise I would definately go for Xbox.

For cars, LittleBigPlanet and Free interwebz: PS3
For faster interwebz that cost money and Halo, Gearz of War & Fable: Xbox

Why I chose the xbox 360? Because I was most interested in the actual gaming aspects, I didn't care about graphics to much and really just wanted to be able to play some great games.

Though, as I've already said, Wii's my personal favorite in this console generation. 

Thank you! I E-mailed this to my dad.

kimmy123 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

My family's going to get a HDTV for our game room, and a game system for it.

We have narrowed it down to two TV's (both 46 inches):
-Hitachi Ultravision
-Samsung LN46

What are the differences between them?

Hitachi
Samsung

While I am a user of both the Xbot360 and the PS3, I have to go with PS3.

Why PS3?

First of all, the menu is easily navigated; it's broken down in to several major categories. Games, Movies, Music, Photos, Profiles, System Settings, Online, Your Friends (in no particular order; I'm sure I missed 1 or 2). You can customize the menu (Dubbed the XMB [Cross Media Bar]) through it's background colors or the look and feel of the icons themselves. You can also put your own picture as a bg, if you so desire. The Online is great, however, you can't do split screen online (not that we know of yet, anyway) like you can on the Xbox. You don't have to pay for online either. You can also customize your profile, with some pre-defined images, choose a color, and maybe a saying (if you so desire). You also get a Blu-ray player, which is an added bonus. The controller doesn't need batteries, it has rechargeable one's inside (charged via a usb cable). The L2/R2 buttons are more trigger like now, rather than buttons. There is also a PS Button (button w/ the PS logo on it....)Which, if pressed, brings an overlayed XMB up, allowing you to cruse your system, reply to a message (They didn't have this before OS3.0 I think). You can still hold the button down, and shut down the system, controller, or leave the game (all of which you can do within the Overlayed XMB as well). However, the system itself is ugly looking, try for a pre-used original design system. The new one tends to make the disks hot after a bit (stupid heatsink), and it has actual buttons for the on/off and disk eject. The older one has touch sensitive "buttons". All models will play PS1 games (if you happen to still have them in 2010), but only a "special edition" pre-redesign model will allow you to play PS2 games (and it's limited support). It's also less user friendly in the way things work, it may take some "encouraging" (That DOES NOT mean, however, that it's impossible to do anything, but you have more choices & control over everything)

Why Xbox360?

Well, the menu is virtually the same thing. Moves like the XMB, but has a totally different feel after a recent system update (for Kinect). You can't set a custom color, but you can create your own "Avatar" (Mii's; Honestly, you should of seen previews for when they were new, people were saying they were Mii's). You also have to pay for online, $50 a year on average (which isn't bad, but not great either). Game's look about the same, but your missing out on the Blu-ray player. The controller, again, is the same thing like the PS3, but this came first. The analog sticks are offset, while the PS3's are not. They require fresh changes of batteries, but there are things you can buy to charge them, ala PS3. The system itself looks great, all touch sensitive "buttons". However, the system is loud compared to the PS3, and is prone to being very hot (we haven't overheated yet) More user friendly than the PS3 as well.

tl;dr, whatever. That's how I feel.

banana500 wrote:

PlayStation 3. Period.

Why? It only does games. It only does movies. It only does music. It only does photos. It only does Netflix.

It only does everything.

However, if you're looking for a games-only console, then you should get a 360.

That sums up the PS3 and 360 really well.

But lolz at making the reference work so well.