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Never thought about that. I guess I usually just believe what I hear. It's probably not the best idea but I'm not sure what else.

Hmm......I really don't know.

Well said.
When I'm deciding who to trust, I don't just read the information and think 'okay, it says so, so it's right'. Lots of people lie, and it's easy to decieve people, especially in tabloids. I generally use common sense when deciding if someone has my trust. For example, if I read in The Sun that Michael Jackson had just given birth to a baby chimp, I would think twice. First, that particular paper has a reputation for lying, or 'fabricating the truth'. Also, does it really make sense?! Some people will believe anything put in front of them.
When it comes to the internet, I consider the person's reputation and if they are known for lying, I'll take what they say with a pinch of salt.

I trust no one
But I read the paper

BaronVonBlade wrote:

I'm not really understanding what you're asking of us
Do you want to know who we trust?

He's asking why we trust the people we trust.

CONFUZZLED D:

One thing I like to do before I trust any political figure, is look at the endgame of whatever they're trying to do.

Take the invasion of Iraq (correct me if I'm wrong) during Bush's term for instance. For years the US had been interested in invading it because it has a huge reserve of oil, one of the largest in the world in fact. But you can't just go into some country and take their oil, because your country will hate you. They had to come up with some kind of reason to invade it.


So I think the government staged 9/11 (in my opinion it was staged, so don't flame me, because Lightnin IS asking for opinions here people) and blamed it on terrorists from the Middle East. Step one was complete, now they had to name someone specific over there to find. They blamed it on Osama Bin Laden. Step two was complete so now the American people, having suffered losses during 9/11, supported the invasion.

Now Bush could go "lololol let's go find a terrorist that isn't there so we can get some oil  ." For the entire time they were there, they couldn't find him. They magically received videos from him but they couldn't find him    So while they were still "searching" for Osama, they decided to crackdown on Iraq's oil while they were there. That was the endgame, getting the oil.  He lied, so of course I never trusted Bush.

This Wikileaks fiasco may also be a government stage aswell. First of all, how in the world does an ordinary soldier just get his hands on government documents? Government documents, I may add, that could get our people killed. The government may have willingly handed him those documents. If those documents were so secretive, so classified, the US would've sent a SWAT team to the guy's house and taken back the documents and/or killed him. Our govenment is kind of shady sometimes, so it's hard to tell whether to trust them sometimes.

Off of the topic of politics, lets move on to the internet. Usually most information on the internet is solid when it comes to history and most random stuff. When it comes to politics or celebrities, I try to look at multiple sources of unbiased information to get an idea of what's true and what's not.

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steppenwulf wrote:

One thing I like to do before I trust any political figure, is look at the endgame of whatever they're trying to do.

Take the invasion of Iraq (correct me if I'm wrong) during Bush's term for instance. For years the US had been interested in invading it because it has a huge reserve of oil, one of the largest in the world in fact. But you can't just go into some country and take their oil, because your country will hate you. They had to come up with some kind of reason to invade it.


So I think the government staged 9/11 (in my opinion it was staged, so don't flame me, because Andres IS asking for opinions here people) and blamed it on terrorists from the Middle East. Step one was complete, now they had to name someone specific over there to find. They blamed it on Osama Bin Laden. Step two was complete so now the American people, having suffered losses during 9/11, supported the invasion.

I cut the speech down a bit to save room 

Just thought I'd point out that it's Lightnin, not andresmh asking our opinions. Still an awesome speechy thing!

@Sunrise: I know what you mean. That's why I look at several articles to try and get a general idea of what's biased and what's not.

@TDD: Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why I thought Andres while typing that.

@Military: Keep the post here because it's an admins thread, and it's safer    About the controled demoliton - The government can send people into any building they want as long as the people have badges. They could've been doing "maintainence (sp)" in the building. But really there is no way to tell who did it. For all I know, it could've been terrorists.

But I don't think they attacked Iraq instantly because they needed to plan the whole thing. But that's just my opinion.

I don't think this was meant to be turned into a 9/11 discussion

Quite right, let's get this back on topic. It's fine to use brief examples to illustrate your point, but keep on the topic please.

steppenwulf wrote:

@Sunrise: I know what you mean. That's why I look at several articles to try and get a general idea of what's biased and what's not.

@TDD: Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why I thought Andres while typing that.

@Military: Keep the post here because it's an admins thread, and it's safer    About the controled demoliton - The government can send people into any building they want as long as the people have badges. They could've been doing "maintainence (sp)" in the building. But really there is no way to tell who did it. For all I know, it could've been terrorists.

But I don't think they attacked Iraq instantly because they needed to plan the whole thing. But that's just my opinion.

No flame.   
I hate to say this, Steppenwulf, but your theory is contradicted in itself. Unfortunatly, the government is inherently slow and ineffecient. Also, the point of politicians is to get re-elected. Keeping this in mind, why would Bush want to control the oil in Iraq? So he can gain money for the economy to look good to get re-elected. Main reason. So, would intentionally starting a war gain him money? He get the oil, yes, but all of the costs of the war, soldiers, equipment, mobilization, publicity...all take away from that moeny until it's essentially worthless. Money was not an option for this.

Now then, you also say the politicians are corrupt, greedy people who would do anything to get re-elected, their main goal. This could be. It might explain the reasoning for creating a national disaster such as 9/11. Unfortunatly, if you take this viewpoint, you also have to say that politicians are cowardly. The risk of an operation such as you have proposed is nigh infinite. Treason, death, destroying of your childrens lives, and their childrens lives. And the shame of it going public. No man would take those risks, not to just get re-elected. It's just not worth it. So, why bother.

My two cents. BTW, what country are you from? Just curious.

Sorry Lightnin, its been a good conversation, and I wanted in. 

As for your question, besides the magic eight-ball, I generally trust a source unless it is obviuosly wrong, or about politics. 90% of the stuff is true, and 99% of the stuff you learn on the internet you will never use in a pratical matter. It's pointless to try and find out if it is true unless you know it will affect your life. Now with politics, I just leave it alone for now, simply because there is too much bias and slander being thrown about. Once election comes (And I am 18...), I will do my homework, but until then, I am out.

So for now, its the magic 8-ball. 

Eh, this thread is experiencing mega derailment on the old 911 stuff. This is not the place for that (we've been over it many times, and it's clearly against the rules of the forum).  A shame really; I'll just have to close it.

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