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#26 2010-11-18 00:57:49

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

Here I go again with the geeky stuff...

Well, there are multiple theories to how time travel could be possible.
First, it is theorized that little holes in space-time (wormholes) sometimes appear at a subatomic level, and if we were to somehow expand that hole and keep it radiation free, we could go to the past.
Wait, back up a minute.
So the theory is that time is something of a line, continuously going in one direction, not stopping, and that the past moments are still left, so if you could bend space-time to the point where a wormhole, a hole in the very fabric of space, could exist, you could, theoretically, with some sort of control, go to any moment in the past.
Now for the other theory.
So basically (and this has been proven) the faster you go, the slower time goes around you. So, for instance, if you were go to the galaxy andromeda, at close to light speed, it would take over 2 million years in the outside world, but inside the spaceship, the astronauts would only age about 40 years. Don't ask me how this is possible, because no one really knows for sure.

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#27 2010-11-18 01:16:29

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I'm nowhere near geekship(don't listen to my classmates-they know nothing of true geeks), but that has something to do with Einstein's theory of relativity?

I personally think that time travel is possible, and subscribe to the theory of "Everything will be alright, don't worry about messing up time". In other words, if you tried to kill, say, Hitler when he was a baby, World War 2 would still happen, because you would fail to kill him somehow. This also solves the Grandfather Effect problem.


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#28 2010-11-18 06:13:34

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

If we were to go faster than the speed of light, around earth the OPPOSITE direciont earth spins, you would land on earth in a different time period.

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#29 2010-11-18 07:01:13

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

TuffGhost wrote:

Harakou wrote:

Good luck building an energy source that big.

dude just get a flux capacitor or something like that

also i heard theres this theory which makes the whole grandfather thing possible

pretty much theres points in the linear motion of time on which we travel where the line splits
pretty much there is a place in time for every possible way everything could happen
so the time we ride (4th dimension) is like out 1st dimension and all this jazz (5th dimension) is like the 2nd dimension

then if you bend the next dimension you get to travel really quickly between points in possible time

in other words read flatland

You've read about dimensions? Yay!

0th dimension: .
1st dimension: —
2nd dimension: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/U25A1.gif
3rd dimension: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/U25B1.gif
4th dimension: The fourth dimension is what starts the branch of space time dimensions. It is also nearly impossible to get into this dimension, but if you do, you could time travel, or continue to the multiple-timeline dimensions.

That's all I remember.

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#30 2010-11-18 07:05:24

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I have been researching worm holes:
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Worm3.jpg/220px-Worm3.jpg

In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime. For a simple visual explanation of a wormhole, consider spacetime visualized as a two-dimensional (2D) surface (see illustration, right). If this surface is folded along a third dimension, it allows one to picture a wormhole "bridge". (Please note, though, that this image is merely a visualization displayed to convey an essentially unvisualisable structure existing in 4 or more dimensions. The parts of the wormhole could be higher-dimensional analogues for the parts of the curved 2D surface; for example, instead of mouths which are circular holes in a 2D plane, a real wormhole's mouths could be spheres in 3D space.) A wormhole is, in theory, much like a tunnel with two ends each in separate points in spacetime.

There is no observational evidence for wormholes, but on a theoretical level there are valid solutions to the equations of the theory of general relativity which contain wormholes. The first type of wormhole solution discovered was the Schwarzschild wormhole which would be present in the Schwarzschild metric describing an eternal black hole, but it was found that this type of wormhole would collapse too quickly for anything to cross from one end to the other. Wormholes which could actually be crossed, known as traversable wormholes, would only be possible if exotic matter with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them (many physicists such as Stephen Hawking,[1] Kip Thorne,[2] and others[3][4][5] believe that the Casimir effect is evidence that negative energy densities are possible in nature). Physicists have also not found any natural process which would be predicted to form a wormhole naturally in the context of general relativity, although the quantum foam hypothesis is sometimes used to suggest that tiny wormholes might appear and disappear spontaneously at the Planck scale.[6][7] It has also been proposed that if a tiny wormhole held open by a negative-mass cosmic string had appeared around the time of the Big Bang, it could have been inflated to macroscopic size by cosmic inflation.[8]

The American theoretical physicist John Archibald Wheeler coined the term wormhole in 1957; however, in 1921, the German mathematician Hermann Weyl already had proposed the wormhole theory, in connection with mass analysis of electromagnetic field energy.[9]

As you can see it is another theory for time travel and is theoretically possible.

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#31 2010-11-18 07:57:57

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I just traveled 50 seconds forward in time as I wrote this post aren't I cool?
By the way, going fast just makes you perceive time slower, it doesn't actually slow it down


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#32 2010-11-18 16:03:58

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I'm not at all sure but I think it would be possible to speed up time by going at extreme speeds, but I don't think you could go back. Because isn't there some thing about how fast you go changes what time rate thingy you go at.  hmm

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#33 2010-11-18 16:20:24

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

It may indeed be possible, but it would take a long time to plan out. The smallest change might kill 1 billion people in the future, let Hitler take over the world, etc.


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#34 2010-11-18 16:22:34

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:DzbmDI3kboMLXM:http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/back-to-the-future/flux-capacitor-real.jpg&t=1

Never mind, of course it's possible, if you go 88 miles per hour in a Stainless Steel car with a flux capacitor and some plutonium fuel you got from a gang of terrorists.


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#35 2010-11-18 20:33:08

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

JeanTheFox wrote:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Dzbm … pg&t=1

Never mind, of course it's possible, if you go 88 miles per hour in a Stainless Steel car with a flux capacitor and some plutonium fuel you got from a gang of terrorists.

Nice BTTF joke.  lol

Unfortunately, we need to go close to the speed of light. Which is practically impossible.

ob6160 wrote:

(big theory)

I see that you are interested in wormhole theory. Welcome to the club.

The only thing CLOSEST to time travel is just sitting there and watching a two-and-a-half hour movie. That makes time fly REAL fast.

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#36 2010-11-18 20:48:22

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I'm not going to go all amateur physicist on this thread and try to theorize on how exactly it'll be accomplished. All I know is that it will be someday, definitely. Maybe even within my lifetime.

And personally I'm a fan of the split/alternate universe theory. That way going back in time and changing things wouldn't actually change the universe immutably, just split it into an alternate one.

Of course, even going back in time and breathing air or otherwise displacing anything at all, whether it be as small as a single atom, presents a problem. Even your presence alone presents a problem if you weren't "meant to be there" in the current universe's timeline.

I don't have any evidence to back it up or anything but I've always had a unsupported pet theory that time goes in two dimensions, not just one. The X axis would be time "as we perceive it" - forwards and backwards. The Y axis would be the other mirror alternate universes.

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#37 2010-11-18 22:18:09

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

ob6160 wrote:

I have been researching worm holes:
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … -Worm3.jpg

In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime. For a simple visual explanation of a wormhole, consider spacetime visualized as a two-dimensional (2D) surface (see illustration, right). If this surface is folded along a third dimension, it allows one to picture a wormhole "bridge". (Please note, though, that this image is merely a visualization displayed to convey an essentially unvisualisable structure existing in 4 or more dimensions. The parts of the wormhole could be higher-dimensional analogues for the parts of the curved 2D surface; for example, instead of mouths which are circular holes in a 2D plane, a real wormhole's mouths could be spheres in 3D space.) A wormhole is, in theory, much like a tunnel with two ends each in separate points in spacetime.

There is no observational evidence for wormholes, but on a theoretical level there are valid solutions to the equations of the theory of general relativity which contain wormholes. The first type of wormhole solution discovered was the Schwarzschild wormhole which would be present in the Schwarzschild metric describing an eternal black hole, but it was found that this type of wormhole would collapse too quickly for anything to cross from one end to the other. Wormholes which could actually be crossed, known as traversable wormholes, would only be possible if exotic matter with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them (many physicists such as Stephen Hawking,[1] Kip Thorne,[2] and others[3][4][5] believe that the Casimir effect is evidence that negative energy densities are possible in nature). Physicists have also not found any natural process which would be predicted to form a wormhole naturally in the context of general relativity, although the quantum foam hypothesis is sometimes used to suggest that tiny wormholes might appear and disappear spontaneously at the Planck scale.[6][7] It has also been proposed that if a tiny wormhole held open by a negative-mass cosmic string had appeared around the time of the Big Bang, it could have been inflated to macroscopic size by cosmic inflation.[8]

The American theoretical physicist John Archibald Wheeler coined the term wormhole in 1957; however, in 1921, the German mathematician Hermann Weyl already had proposed the wormhole theory, in connection with mass analysis of electromagnetic field energy.[9]

As you can see it is another theory for time travel and is theoretically possible.

OB6160

ok dude it looked pretty suspicious with all the [#]s but i just looked it up and you pretty much copied all that from wikipedia
even the picture man

man did you even read it


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#38 2010-11-18 22:33:36

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I hope. Otherwise my years of worshipping Back To The Future has been a waste.  tongue



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#39 2010-11-19 16:31:14

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

banana500 wrote:

JeanTheFox wrote:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Dzbm … pg&t=1

Never mind, of course it's possible, if you go 88 miles per hour in a Stainless Steel car with a flux capacitor and some plutonium fuel you got from a gang of terrorists.

Nice BTTF joke.  lol

Unfortunately, we need to go close to the speed of light. Which is practically impossible.

ob6160 wrote:

(big theory)

I see that you are interested in wormhole theory. Welcome to the club.

The only thing CLOSEST to time travel is just sitting there and watching a two-and-a-half hour movie. That makes time fly REAL fast.

Actually, the closest thing to it is to get near a large energy or heat source. Remember, E=mc2.
I love the wormhole theory!

But my favorite theory is the Kerr-Newton black hole. It's charged with electricity or energy (I think), and it rotates. The electricity or energy may speed up the hole's rotation, changing the time around it, also distorting it.

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#40 2010-11-19 17:27:52

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

Kileymeister wrote:

No, due to the grandfather effect.

When you go back in time, you could kill your own grandfather before your parents were born, thus preventing your birth, but if you aren't born you won't go back and kill him, so he will live, so you will be born, but then you can go back and kill him, etc.

that would only happen if you killed your grandfather or other down your family tree. if you didn't, what's stopping you?


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#41 2010-11-19 17:32:03

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

16Skittles wrote:

Kileymeister wrote:

No, due to the grandfather effect.

When you go back in time, you could kill your own grandfather before your parents were born, thus preventing your birth, but if you aren't born you won't go back and kill him, so he will live, so you will be born, but then you can go back and kill him, etc.

that would only happen if you killed your grandfather or other down your family tree. if you didn't, what's stopping you?

Everything. Like I said:

Of course, even going back in time and breathing air or otherwise displacing anything at all, whether it be as small as a single atom, presents a problem. Even your presence alone presents a problem if you weren't "meant to be there" in the current universe's timeline.

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#42 2010-11-19 19:42:10

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

JeanTheFox wrote:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Dzbm … pg&t=1

Never mind, of course it's possible, if you go 88 miles per hour in a Stainless Steel car with a flux capacitor and some plutonium fuel you got from a gang of terrorists.

NOBODY CALLS ME YELLOW xD I love that movie  tongue

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#43 2010-11-19 19:50:57

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

Technically - the closest to time travel is sleep...  I do that
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Anyway, If someone go's far enough into space they can see the earth as it was back 9000000 years ago!  Now that's time travel - only you would need a massive telescope/magnifying object


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#44 2010-11-20 15:02:07

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

B. U. M. P.  wink

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#45 2010-11-20 15:37:26

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

TuffGhost wrote:

ob6160 wrote:

I have been researching worm holes:
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … -Worm3.jpg

In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime. For a simple visual explanation of a wormhole, consider spacetime visualized as a two-dimensional (2D) surface (see illustration, right). If this surface is folded along a third dimension, it allows one to picture a wormhole "bridge". (Please note, though, that this image is merely a visualization displayed to convey an essentially unvisualisable structure existing in 4 or more dimensions. The parts of the wormhole could be higher-dimensional analogues for the parts of the curved 2D surface; for example, instead of mouths which are circular holes in a 2D plane, a real wormhole's mouths could be spheres in 3D space.) A wormhole is, in theory, much like a tunnel with two ends each in separate points in spacetime.

There is no observational evidence for wormholes, but on a theoretical level there are valid solutions to the equations of the theory of general relativity which contain wormholes. The first type of wormhole solution discovered was the Schwarzschild wormhole which would be present in the Schwarzschild metric describing an eternal black hole, but it was found that this type of wormhole would collapse too quickly for anything to cross from one end to the other. Wormholes which could actually be crossed, known as traversable wormholes, would only be possible if exotic matter with negative energy density could be used to stabilize them (many physicists such as Stephen Hawking,[1] Kip Thorne,[2] and others[3][4][5] believe that the Casimir effect is evidence that negative energy densities are possible in nature). Physicists have also not found any natural process which would be predicted to form a wormhole naturally in the context of general relativity, although the quantum foam hypothesis is sometimes used to suggest that tiny wormholes might appear and disappear spontaneously at the Planck scale.[6][7] It has also been proposed that if a tiny wormhole held open by a negative-mass cosmic string had appeared around the time of the Big Bang, it could have been inflated to macroscopic size by cosmic inflation.[8]

The American theoretical physicist John Archibald Wheeler coined the term wormhole in 1957; however, in 1921, the German mathematician Hermann Weyl already had proposed the wormhole theory, in connection with mass analysis of electromagnetic field energy.[9]

As you can see it is another theory for time travel and is theoretically possible.

OB6160

ok dude it looked pretty suspicious with all the [#]s but i just looked it up and you pretty much copied all that from wikipedia
even the picture man

man did you even read it

I was in a hurry  smile

So I didn't have time to write it all  neutral

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#46 2010-11-20 16:41:17

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

No, it would create too many paradoxes to count.

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#47 2010-11-20 17:16:59

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

Gravidy bends right? Well with your therory we all wou8ld be sucked into the mass before we traveld, most effictive would be a white hole


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#48 2010-11-20 17:33:04

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

its been proven that larger objects with larger masses move slower through time. clocks on satellites in space run a second or two faster than clocks on earth. that makes sense, right? Because a smaller object like a mouse is more maneuverable than a person. The densest thing we know of is a back hole, which means that if some contraption could be built that could support life and could orbit around a black hole, that means that the people inside the contraption would move slower through time than the rest of us. so when you broke orbit, you would be in the future of now, or the past of the future. all credit to Stephen Hawking.

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#49 2010-11-20 17:34:29

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

I say not to do it. It could destroy you and possibly everyone else. It may be possible, but you should not even talk about it.

This is starting to half-scare me.

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#50 2010-11-20 17:48:36

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Re: Time Travel: Is it possible?

ssss wrote:

Technically - the closest to time travel is sleep...  I do that
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Anyway, If someone go's far enough into space they can see the earth as it was back 9000000 years ago!  Now that's time travel - only you would need a massive telescope/magnifying object

1. that's what i do...sleep if im on an airplane and going to a vacation spot, i sleep so the time seems to pass by faster.



2. that isnt going back in time -- thats just going so very far away from the earth. light, even though it goes so incredibly fast, still takes time to go from one place to another another. all the light you see from stars in the sky at night is millions of years old. that is how big the universe is. the human brain is physically unable to comprehend how big the universe is, and how fast light goes. if the fastest thing we know of still takes millions of years to get someplace, then the universe has to be so big, that humanity will never be able to fully comprehend how big it is. Sure, people say, "Oh, it's 30 million light years", or "75 billion years ago", but those numbers are so big that you don't actually understand just how big that actually is.    So your theory is somewhat plausible, but you would have to go the speed of light for literally hundreds of millions of years before you saw stuff that happened just a few centuries ago.

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