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bharvey wrote:

Fiat500 wrote:

fishy. its not in .sb

We picked a different extension (.ypr) for BYOB projects so that you can have Scratch and BYOB both installed on your computer and they won't get in each other's way.

One question, though, why .ypr ? I mean, .byo or something would work.

shadow_7283 wrote:

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

I'm not a member anymore.

Trouble?  Or just too busy?

EDIT: Never mind, I'm reading the Prism forum now...

Do you have Palringo? I could create a group there...

(pause as I read their web site...)  Oh great, all I need, chats on my phone.  I think you have me confused with a young person. 

http://cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/texts.jpg

As you pointed out recently in a different context, I do have an email address for you.  We could solve this problem the straightforward way...

(P.S. How come Palringo is okay but not Skype?    )

First off, I don't have a cell phone and don't text, so you can take me off the graph. 
Second, Palringo isn't just for phones. In fact, that isn't even its primary use! It's just an IM that you can access from most mobile devices. You can use it on the computer fine.
Third, I can't use Skype because it has my personal information on it. Palringo doesn't.

Yes, I quit Prism. But nXIII and I have started a better collaboration. 

I still don't know what this "batter collaboration" is... 

MathWizz wrote:

I still don't know what this "batter collaboration" is... 

You shall not know until our first project is released. (Which will be very soon)

@bharvey

Using LAUNCH+FOREVER+BLOCK can offer an interest in some circumstances, notably to walk around the utilization of HAT controls.

Returning to the difference between TEXT languages and DRAG-ND-DROP : I've written a king of miniLogo interpreter as follows.

-  one function (names CO)  which activates Byob graphic functions by passing two parameters : a command code ( c for clear, s for show, h for hide, gt for goto  etc) and a list of numeric parameters like gt 100 100 for GOTO 100 100.
- one LOOP ASK-ANSWER function which takes ANSWER and pass it to CO (using the primitive SENTENCE TO LIST).

The primary application of this is to give to a Master Sprite an entire control on the graphics properties of any Slave sprite directly from the Master script area.
This mimics the "text command window" of )Logo or Lisp.

xly wrote:

@bharvey

Read "kind" instead of "king", "named" instead of "names", "Logo" instead of )Logo. Sorry.

You can edit your post by clicking on "Edit" in the lower right corner of your post. 

Fiat500 wrote:

Guys, I was wondering if I could join the team.

Umm, it isn't really a team like that  The programming is all Jens, and the whole thing was all Jens until last year when I started bugging him about adding lambda.  Since the 3.0 release in August we've mainly been licking our wounds in preparation for (we hope) a total rewrite over the coming year.

Thanks, though!

shadow_7283 wrote:

Yes, I quit Prism. But nXIII and I have started a better collaboration.

MathWizz wrote:

I still don't know what this "batter collaboration" is...

Lucario621 wrote:

Well "better" in your biased opinion.

BZZZZZZT!!  We're not recapitulating that argument here, please.

FWIW, I consider all of you as friends, really tight friends in some cases, and it really saddens me to see you fighting each other.  (Not just the three quoted above, everyone involved in this fight.)

And I have to say none of you is exactly putting your best foot forward in these snipes at each other.  As I read the Prism forum I was thinking "Maybe the Scratch Team is right about no 13-year-old moderators." 

[EDIT: Just in case the above isn't completely clear, that isn't usually how I feel either about 13-year-olds in general or about y'all in particular, and I didn't enjoy thinking it while reading all that yesterday.  And, yes, also I know not all of you are 13.]

But I understand that (especially in Shadow's case, feeling turned upon by his friends) what's behind the anger and sour grapes is a real hurt, and, again, I'm sad about that.  (Don't read the parenthetical comment as me taking Shadow's side in the argument.  I'm not on anybody's side; I don't really see enough of an issue to take sides about.  It just seems from the tones of the various messages that Shadow is hurting the most.  I could be wrong.)

Last edited by bharvey (2010-10-15 23:10:07)

Fiat500 wrote:

No WONDER youre so smart! Youre 55-65! That doesnt tell us much though.....

Thanks.  I'm 61.  It doesn't make me smart, but it does make me knowledgeable, I hope.     Although not as knowledgeable as I should be -- but I don't want to turn the BYOB3 forum into my blog.

bharvey wrote:

xly wrote:

I've written a king of miniLogo interpreter as follows.

That's very cool!  I'd like to see it embedded in a project; it'd make a great demo for the sample projects collection.

See my "Byob Tutorial" :

http://www.xleroy.net/ByobTuto/thumbnails.html

under the pages 36-cocodef04.gif (where the project is downloadable)  ...and following.

It's more fun to compete !!

bharvey wrote:

Fiat500 wrote:

One question, though, why .ypr ? I mean, .byo or something would work.

Actually .byo is taken, for some obscure media format I think.  But also, this way we can have a family of extensions, .ypr for projects, .ysp for sprites, etc.

I never thought of that...

xly wrote:

It's more fun to compete !!

I think he's referring to the Prism and FluxByte competition.

And it's fine. Maybe 13 year olds aren't that mature, but I think we reached a point where we (Prism and I) were going in two completely different directions.

I'm not sure how much of the underlying conversations you saw (as it was mostly in the development category), but the stuff in the public forum was pretty vague.

But that's all behind us. Even though I'm not part of Prism anymore doesn't mean I don't respect the members there. 

Lucario621 wrote:

I'm confused - what's with the ones, twos, and sevens in the picture?

Well, first of all, the ones and twos are making twelves.     The picture is showing ways to represent $1.37; the last two lines show

4 quarters, 2 dimes, 1 nickel, 12 pennies

and

4 quarters, 2 dimes, 17 pennies

It uses numbers if there are seven or more of a particular kind of coin.

Last edited by bharvey (2010-10-16 23:12:34)