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#1 2007-08-10 22:43:29
advanced image making
I find the image making on scratch too simple, how about in the draw sprite bit, put a button that allows you to create the profiles of what you drawing (with the ability to scroll and stuff, because then it will be too big for the screen), the front, the top, and then at the bottom right, make a 3D viewer. I am not persuading you to make scratch as powerful as 3D, becasue then it will lose it's simpleness, but the 3D viewer can be for people who want to make 3D variables, like I do. The advanced image making should, with the 3D viewer, increase the quality of your drawings to make movies and high quality games. I only need to be able to draw the profile, front etc, please don't make it like stuff like milksoft and 4D blue, make it scratch style! 
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#2 2007-08-10 22:44:48
Re: advanced image making
what I mean by that, is you can draw on the four screens just like the simple version.
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#3 2007-08-10 22:57:18
Re: advanced image making
if anyone ahas any other ways to improve graphics in a simple way, then put one here and I am sure the scratch team would notice.
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#4 2007-08-11 02:44:06
Re: advanced image making
The best way of improving graphics - use an actual drawing/painting program to do your drawings. Check Mohlar's thread about resources - it includes several free drawing/painting applications.
Web-spinning Spider: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Mayhem/18456
3D Dungeon Adventure: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Mayhem/23570
Starfighter X: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Mayhem/21825
Wandering Knight: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Mayhem/28484
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#5 2007-08-11 03:06:19
Re: advanced image making
yeah I know about adobe photoshop, but All those images that I make on there seem to go when I import a sprite. So thats why I want that type of image stuff. Also, adobe takes so long, and you can't, and you can't really make 3D stuff on adobe.
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#8 2007-08-11 14:15:51
Re: advanced image making
JoelP wrote:
all those (Photoshop) images that I make ... seem to go when I import a sprite.
This is a problem with how (or what) you are importing, not with Photoshop itself. It would be much worse for "real 3D" files (such as .blend, .obj or .3ds formats) since Scratch doesn't even recognize them. Scratch also does not recognize native Photoshop (.psd) format - you need to save your image from Photoshop in something Scratch recognizes. (I prefer .png for best compatibility with PCs or .jpg for smallest file size. Mac users probably have other preferences.)
Note: The closest to a "Scratch style" 3D program (which would be nice, but I'm not sure it's possible) for making images that I've found is Object Maker from http://www.gravimetricstudios.com/software/objectcreator/index.cfm .
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#9 2007-08-11 18:40:10
- kevin_karplus
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Re: advanced image making
On my Mac using Photoshop Elements, I generally save images a JPEG (.jpg) files, unless they are solid-color cartoons, in which case I may use GIF (.gif) or TIFF (.tif) formats.
I only use the Photoshop format for incompletely-edited pictures, where I want to keep around the multiple layers.
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#10 2007-08-11 19:26:44
Re: advanced image making
As for 3D I REALLY don't think there will be any 3D features in scratch and not just because scratch isn't powerful but because the 3D models would be too hard to create and it would be too difficult to program a 3D invironment. However maybe some day some one will be able to program a 3rd dimesion into scratch like what some people have done with flash. Also for images I like to use Macromedia Flash because it's good for making cartoon type pictures.
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#11 2007-08-12 18:33:05
Re: advanced image making
I am using 3D variables, and I can also manage, but I also want the graphics to be 3D looking. I don't want the whole 3D scrolling thing, just like you can save a picture of a 3D image onto your computer, but it doesn't really work 3D on scratch. thats what I mean.
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#12 2007-08-12 18:34:33
Re: advanced image making
But I am designing a scratch program to make 3D, so never mind. I just wanted to make sure the scratch team can do it in the next version, so I don't ahve to spend all my time exporting an importing.
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#13 2007-08-12 20:08:46
- relyt12101
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Re: advanced image making
Check out some of the things in this thread:
http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1199
Molhar did an amazing job.
He also did these:
http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=532
http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=598
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#14 2007-08-12 20:19:47
- relyt12101
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Re: advanced image making
They might help you - you could possibly import pics made in 3D into scratch.
Mick's Blender is found at www.blender.org
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#15 2007-08-12 21:12:42
Re: advanced image making
Know what would be cool? If someone would teach me how to draw 
eyra
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#16 2007-08-12 22:17:00
Re: advanced image making
AngelEyra wrote:
Know what would be cool? If someone would teach me how to draw
eyra
http://www2.ambientdesign.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3767
Tutorials for Artrage! Great paintprogram it is.
(www.artrage.com)
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#17 2007-08-12 22:49:13
Re: advanced image making
I meant draw using pencil and paper.
eyra
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#19 2007-08-13 06:00:47
Re: advanced image making
AngelEyra wrote:
I meant draw using pencil and paper.
eyra
Ah. Then I recommend the "How to draw manga" books. Great for figuring out anatomy and composition, many of the books work well even i Manga style isn't what you are looking for.
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#21 2007-08-13 11:20:32
Re: advanced image making
AlveKatt wrote:
Ah. Then I recommend the "How to draw manga" books. Great for figuring out anatomy and composition, .. even if Manga style isn't what you are looking for.
I agree - (most) Magna isn't well regarded by "artists" (correctly, in many cases) but it's a great place to start if your artistic skills are as limited as mine.
One web source is http://www.mangatutorials.com/ . To get a flavor of the site, see their tutorial on eyes, http://www.mangatutorials.com/tut/eyebasics.htm , it's one of my favorite.
At the next level above Manga (although it does have Manga postings), see the tutorials at http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=42 (use this site with supervision with younger children).
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#23 2012-04-11 05:39:58
- Agentpieface
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Re: advanced image making
ScratchOS wrote:
cool idea
the last post on this topic was about 5 years ago..
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