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cheddargirl wrote:

Blade-Edge wrote:

But wait, there's something else
That 14+ thing would have been good earlier, but now there's the new scratcher ordeal
Things like that probably won't happen if it stays, so, what of it?

New Scratchers aren't always the cause of inappropriate content, you know. 

Most of the time it is though...

scratch_yoshi wrote:

mathematics wrote:

By the way, what if a candidate's parents don't know English?

...such as mine. My parents don't know English.

I said "by the way" because I don't think I want to be a Community Moderator.

Last edited by mathematics (2010-10-02 12:27:48)

cheddargirl wrote:

COPA is not really in place (it's been a court debate for a long time because there are issues where the act has been questioned about stretching a bit too far, and possibly blocking first amendment rights)

Oh, COPA!  I don't think you can use the present progressive tense in describing the court debate.  Congress passed three slight variations of that terrible bill (which would have applied broad censorship to what adults can see on the Internet just in case some minor might, for example, read an article about AIDS prevention), and every one of them was promptly and correctly shot down by the Supreme Court.  The debate, such as it was, is over.

The above is not meant as an argument in favor of pornography.  But government censorship is a cure far, far worse than the disease.  (And of course government censorship is not what's at issue here; we're talking about private citizens who run a web site for children choosing to take precautions, which is entirely appropriate.  I think it was a tactical error to bring up COPA in this discussion at all!)

Usatt1337 wrote:

And this eliminates people who would be excellent moderators from any kind of conversation, and is an unfair advantage to people over 14 running.

How do you mean by "any kind of conversation?"

This does not totally eliminate anyone from running. It just gives everyone time to get ready for running until they reach the appropriate age. While you may feel comfortable viewing that kind of thing, many people are not, and I am sure the Scratch Team wouldn't feel comfy-cozy exposing everyone to that kind of thin, knowing it could happen.

How is it an unfair advantage to those over fourteen? The under-fourteens will be able to run in due time, and this does not make anybody more or less likely to be elected at one time or another.

coolstuff wrote:

Usatt1337 wrote:

And this eliminates people who would be excellent moderators from any kind of conversation, and is an unfair advantage to people over 14 running.

How do you mean by "any kind of conversation?"

This does not totally eliminate anyone from running. It just gives everyone time to get ready for running until they reach the appropriate age. While you may feel comfortable viewing that kind of thing, many people are not, and I am sure the Scratch Team wouldn't feel comfy-cozy exposing everyone to that kind of thin, knowing it could happen.

How is it an unfair advantage to those over fourteen? The under-fourteens will be able to run in due time, and this does not make anybody more or less likely to be elected at one time or another.

It removes them from the moderator conversation for quite a while. Many people who I think would make great moderators are under the age of 12, which means they will have to wait OVER TWO YEARS before they can even start to run.

Blade-Edge wrote:

The decision is already final
Kudos for writing up that wall, though

I know it is, I'm just giving everyone my thoughts. I'm not expecting anyone to change their minds, just putting a little perspective on things.

mathematics wrote:

scratch_yoshi wrote:

mathematics wrote:

By the way, what if a candidate's parents don't know English?

...such as mine. My parents don't know English.

I said "by the way" because I don't think I want to be a Community Moderator.

But still! 

Blade-Edge wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

Star_the_fox wrote:

Erm... I thought all the TBG mods but Ducky are 13... I think... So, is that an exeption? Or will all the moddies but Ducky get kicked?

The rule does not affect the TBGs.

I don't get that, since new users can still spam there, and the TBGs were hit too
Maybe not as bad as the main forum, but still

Waaaaaaaaaaay better than the main forum I think. 

Usatt1337 wrote:

Listen up everyone. This is what I think. I am not running for moderator, nor do I ever plan to in the future, and I am currently 14 years old. My first experience as a forum moderator came when I was 11 years old, on a RS private-server forum that over 1000 people visited daily, mainly to the off-topic section (some similairity to scratch forums). The website was not "kid-friendly" so to speak. There was probably much objectionable content and trolling that was left up, because it was not against the rules. However there were rules, it was not a total anarchy. Every day any forum user could encounter "offensive" words, threads and links. Despite this, I was never "scarred for life" so to speak or deeply offended by anything I saw, and it really gives you the experience, and knowledge not to be offended by everything you see. I don't understand what Scratch is trying to shelther the to-be moderators from. Things posted won't be seen any later by regular users then mods. And besides, Scratch is a great kid-friendly community with many censors and ways to block these kind of things from happening. I was a forum moderator for over a year, then I decided to retire, because I had so much going on in my real life. After my experience, I was regarded as a great and helpful moderator by almost all in the community. This is why I think age is irrelevant as long as you know what you're doing and how to be a moderator. Even more ridiculous is the notion that the current moderators should be forced to retire. This is called Ex-Post-Facto law, which the US disapproves of by the way (see the constitution).

TL;DR (short and long): This moderator age thing is dumb and wrong. Current moderators (who by the way have done and continue to do an excellent job) should not be forced to retire. And this eliminates people who would be excellent moderators from any kind of conversation, and is an unfair advantage to people over 14 running.

I just have to agree....4 years to wait to even try for becoming a moderator. Who knows - I might be a great moderator but end up moving on when I could have been an active moderator a couple years ago, but then grown out of Scratch. I dunno, just possibilities that apply to everybody......Eh, I have a somewhat biased opinion on this one, since last election I was not a candidate chosen by the Scratch Team and they encouraged me to try again this year.

coolstuff wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

Blade-Edge wrote:

I don't get that, since new users can still spam there, and the TBGs were hit too
Maybe not as bad as the main forum, but still

Waaaaaaaaaaay better than the main forum I think. 

That, and there's quite a few less responsibilities as a TBG moderator than as a Scratch forum moderator, considering the community's size is quite a bit smaller at the TBGs and there isn't really any "discussion" going on there per se. Lack of discussion means there really isn't any sort of a chance of flames erupting.

Yes, and the community moderator isn't only the forums - there's much more, on the Scratch website, such as Scratch Design Studios and such.

coolstuff wrote:

Chrischb wrote:

Blade-Edge wrote:

I don't get that, since new users can still spam there, and the TBGs were hit too
Maybe not as bad as the main forum, but still

Waaaaaaaaaaay better than the main forum I think. 

That, and there's quite a few less responsibilities as a TBG moderator than as a Scratch forum moderator, considering the community's size is quite a bit smaller at the TBGs and there isn't really any "discussion" going on there per se. Lack of discussion means there really isn't any sort of a chance of flames erupting.

Lack of discussion? How dare you criticize the TBG!
*grabs lazar*
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

example
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Uh... more?

Oh you're right. ^^

Just a little question, when it says you need your parents permission, how do our parents do that? By email?

Ok... There's one thing I've been confused about recently.

Why do you need parent permission and be over the age of 14? One or the other should be enough to kill off most candidates.