Scratch

there is no chance in it!!! Don't you get it php, HTML and Javascript are just for scripting web pages and VERY SIMPLE apps like chess or drafts!   
Scratch is so complicated and will never work.    I would love it to work but it won't!

jackrulez wrote:

Daffy22 wrote:

there is no chance in it!!! Don't you get it php, HTML and Javascript are just for scripting web pages and VERY SIMPLE apps like chess or drafts!   
Scratch is so complicated and will never work.    I would love it to work but it won't!

Oh gawd. Ever heard of a really useful html element called canvas?
EDIT: And chess isn't simple. Have you ever seen how complex some of those AIs are?

I know chess is possible with javascript anyway a .sb file is a windows or mac file. not a web file, for example try opening a powerpoint file in a webpage it doesn't work you would never get a powerpoint to work on the internet unless you have a flash player thing made!    Prety simple really to understand... it's impossible. 

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

nXIII wrote:

(and CSS)

HTML5 is awesome! But I'm not sure it works on iPhones very well.

I've tested it on my iPod, and it works perfectly. HTML5 is one of the things that Apple supports on everything.

Oh, cool! I just read his post on why there isn't Flash. I understand, and personally I think HTML5 is awesomer anyway (sorry, Adobe! You're still awesome, too!)

Daffy22 wrote:

I know chess is possible with javascript anyway a .sb file is a windows or mac file. not a web file, for example try opening a powerpoint file in a webpage it doesn't work you would never get a powerpoint to work on the internet unless you have a flash player thing made!    Prety simple really to understand... it's impossible. 

Okay, you're really worrying me now. Every single project on this site was written in HTML5 and JavaScript (with CSS). Every single project on this site was, too. Problem with file I/O? The solution is simple:
Step 1. HTML file chooser form
Step 2. Submitted to the PHP parser
Step 3. Parser echos to the page in an <input type="hidden" value="<?php echo $_GET["something"]; ?>" id="rawFileContents" /> kind of way
Step 4. JavaScript creates a large array of hexadecimal pairs in decimal form using the character codes, etc. of the raw file data.
Step 5. Parse it just like Squeak does

And please don't comment 'This is impossible!' again because it isn't.

Lucario621 wrote:

nXIII wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

I've tested it on my iPod, and it works perfectly. HTML5 is one of the things that Apple supports on everything.

Oh, cool! I just read his post on why there isn't Flash. I understand, and personally I think HTML5 is awesomer anyway (sorry, Adobe! You're still awesome, too!)

Daffy22 wrote:

I know chess is possible with javascript anyway a .sb file is a windows or mac file. not a web file, for example try opening a powerpoint file in a webpage it doesn't work you would never get a powerpoint to work on the internet unless you have a flash player thing made!    Prety simple really to understand... it's impossible. 

Okay, you're really worrying me now. Every single project on this site was written in HTML5 and JavaScript (with CSS). Every single project on this site was, too. Problem with file I/O? The solution is simple:
Step 1. HTML file chooser form
Step 2. Submitted to the PHP parser
Step 3. Parser echos to the page in an <input type="hidden" value="<?php echo $_GET["something"]; ?>" id="rawFileContents" /> kind of way
Step 4. JavaScript creates a large array of hexadecimal pairs in decimal form using the character codes, etc. of the raw file data.
Step 5. Parse it just like Squeak does

And please don't comment 'This is impossible!' again because it isn't.

Hmm - if you think Scratch should be in HTML5/Javascript, and that it's possible, then why not trying making some of it, such as at least the block making feature, yourself!    That would be really cool, and doing so would probably persuade the Scratch Team to change, maybe.

I'll try it! Now to find a good tutorial...

Daffy22 wrote:

there is no chance in it!!! Don't you get it php, HTML and Javascript are just for scripting web pages and VERY SIMPLE apps like chess or drafts!   
Scratch is so complicated and will never work.    I would love it to work but it won't!

You're programming language knowledge must be out of date. You're thinking about HTML4, the one used on pretty much every web page out there, but we're talking about HTML5, the newest version that is VERY powerful and can be used to make things like this (You won't be able to see it with Internet Explorer)

Last edited by ScratchReallyROCKS (2010-09-18 10:02:45)

Daffy22 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

Hmm - if you think Scratch should be in HTML5/Javascript, and that it's possible, then why not trying making some of it, such as at least the block making feature, yourself!    That would be really cool, and doing so would probably persuade the Scratch Team to change, maybe.

I'll try it! Now to find a good tutorial...

Daffy22 wrote:

there is no chance in it!!! Don't you get it php, HTML and Javascript are just for scripting web pages and VERY SIMPLE apps like chess or drafts!   
Scratch is so complicated and will never work.    I would love it to work but it won't!

You're programming language knowledge must be out of date. You're thinking about HTML4, the one used on pretty much every web page out there, but we're talking about HTML5, the newest version that is VERY powerful and can be used to make things like this (You won't be able to see it with Internet Explorer)

Now for a start my programming knoledge is not out of date, I also understand HTML5 is capable of making fab games! 
But what you don't get is that .sb files are completely different to .html files! Imagine trying to play flash on a java applet - it just won't happen. It's the same story for scratch a .sb will not play in a .html file. 
The only way it will work is if Scratch was written in HTML5 (I preffer flash though) and that would just be going of topic make a new scratch viewer not a new scratch. Anyway those games linked are scripted in HTML5 not made with HTML5. 

I bet there's a way to get HTML to read/decode .sb files.

Daffy22 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Daffy22 wrote:

Now for a start my programming knoledge is not out of date, I also understand HTML5 is capable of making fab games! 
But what you don't get is that .sb files are completely different to .html files! Imagine trying to play flash on a java applet - it just won't happen. It's the same story for scratch a .sb will not play in a .html file. 
The only way it will work is if Scratch was written in HTML5 (I preffer flash though) and that would just be going of topic make a new scratch viewer not a new scratch. Anyway those games linked are scripted in HTML5 not made with HTML5. 

I bet there's a way to get HTML to read/decode .sb files.

I wish there was but .sb files are encrypted and html won't be able to decrypt it. 

Okay, I'm not sure if it's possible, but could you make a java app that decodes the .sb file and outputs a code for the HTML to use?

Ok then anyone who wants to help can:
This is the official development thread for making a HTML viewer.
(and J-Scipt + PHP and so on)

Right heres the first step, make a script that can decode Scratch projects!
Post links to your code here!

Are you so sure!

That wont work, as your not interpreting as Binary!

Daffy22 wrote:

johnnydean1 wrote:

That wont work, as your not interpreting as Binary!

I know but either way - HTML can't decode it! 
BTW: HTML5 won't be fully released until 2022     

But it still can be used now!

Daffy22 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Daffy22 wrote:

I know but either way - HTML can't decode it! 
BTW: HTML5 won't be fully released until 2022     

But it still can be used now!

I know but I still wouldn't because some browsers don't support parts of it and some do so it's a bit comfusing... give it a year or two and all browsers will support it! 

All the good browsers do.

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Daffy22 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

But it still can be used now!

I know but I still wouldn't because some browsers don't support parts of it and some do so it's a bit comfusing... give it a year or two and all browsers will support it! 

All the good browsers do.

monzilla does (good)
iexplorer doesn't (good too)
and anyway monzilla doesn't support all features - not one browser supports all html5 features...
anyway thats not the point if a really popular browser like iexplorer doesn't support html5 then html5 is not a good option!