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sanddude · 2010-09-12 08:43:06

Let's have a FRIENDLY discussion about misogyny in music.

Multiple bands and artists such as Eminem, Ludacris, Korn, 3OH!3, Dr. Dre, and the list goes on and on, have been accused of promoting violence against women and/or portraying women as objects to satisfy men.

The most criticized genre for misogyny is hip hop. Women are often the subject of rap lyrics and videos, which often objectify them. Often people only blame black rap artists for misogyny, many white rappers have misogynistic themes in their lyrics too.

But all you anti-rap, rock lovers shouldn't be saying "I told you so", to rap fans. Rock isn't squeaky clean in gender equality either. In fact, sometimes it gets hip hop level. Just listen to "See You On The Other Side" by Korn. Some songs are showing a stunning lack of ability to treat females as people.

What are your opinions on this?

MINE: I'll admit, misogynistic rap and rock lyrics have made uncomfortable (even though I'm a boy). I have mixed feelings on this, but one takes my final decision. My first feeling is that I hate sexism. The second one is my strong support for Freedom Of Speech. I think my second one takes my final decision. Say what you want to say, it's a free country. And to add to that some performers that have misogynistic themes are very clever/talented (Eminem, Korn, and others). Just give me talent, and I don't care what else you give me.

So, let's discuss!

Aidan · 2010-09-12 09:53:04

I like country, so I told you so. tongue

sanddude · 2010-09-12 10:04:02

Aidan wrote:
I like country, so I told you so.

Ick. Ick. Ick.

Country music disgusts me!

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Aidan · 2010-09-12 10:05:01

sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
I like country, so I told you so.
Ick. Ick. Ick.

Country music disgusts me!

sanddude wrote:
Let's have a FRIENDLY discussion

Going against your own rules there, eh?

jackrulez · 2010-09-12 10:06:37

All I listen to is Green Day, U2, Coldplay, Owl City, One Republic, Pink Floyd, Snow Patrol, All-American Rejects, and Foo Fighters, all of them alt rock, none of them misogynistic. I told you so! tongue

16Skittles · 2010-09-12 10:10:42

jackrulez wrote:
All I listen to is Green Day, U2, Coldplay, Owl City, One Republic, Pink Floyd, Snow Patrol, All-American Rejects, and Foo Fighters, all of them alt rock, none of them misogynistic. I told you so!

lol Edit: You like owl city! mad
What I listen to:
KISS: some bad
AC/DC: mostly good
Guns 'n Roses: mostly good
Metallica:mostly good
Rock FTW!

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sanddude · 2010-09-12 10:34:24

16Skittles wrote:
jackrulez wrote:
All I listen to is Green Day, U2, Coldplay, Owl City, One Republic, Pink Floyd, Snow Patrol, All-American Rejects, and Foo Fighters, all of them alt rock, none of them misogynistic. I told you so!
Edit: You like owl city!
What I listen to:
KISS: some bad
AC/DC: mostly good
Guns 'n Roses: mostly good
Metallica:mostly good
Rock FTW!

AC/DC and Guns 'n' Roses could be translated into some bad. I think KISS is mostly good. I agree with you on Metallica.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 10:36:05

Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
I like country, so I told you so.
Ick. Ick. Ick.

Country music disgusts me!
sanddude wrote:
Let's have a FRIENDLY discussion
Going against your own rules there, eh?

We ARE allowed to critisize other people's music. Esp. if it's evil like Country!

What I meant was no swearing, no racism, etc.

16Skittles · 2010-09-12 10:37:11

sanddude wrote:
16Skittles wrote:
jackrulez wrote:
All I listen to is Green Day, U2, Coldplay, Owl City, One Republic, Pink Floyd, Snow Patrol, All-American Rejects, and Foo Fighters, all of them alt rock, none of them misogynistic. I told you so!
Edit: You like owl city!
What I listen to:
KISS: some bad
AC/DC: mostly good
Guns 'n Roses: mostly good
Metallica:mostly good
Rock FTW!
AC/DC and Guns 'n' Roses could be translated into some bad. I think KISS is mostly good. I agree with you on Metallica.

really?
this is how I feel about music. (not my quote, though)

65stathis on youtube wrote:
yeah you are right a lot of kids in my neighbourhood listen to justin (screw) bieber and lady gaga and are proud of it when i say to them listen to metallica they reply to me ´Who those idiots with the quitars now that i am playing quitar too they are not even talking to me so LETS SEEK AND DESTROY THEM!!!!!!!

on a metallica seek and destroy video.

Ace-Of-Hearts · 2010-09-12 17:28:00

sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:

Ick. Ick. Ick.

Country music disgusts me!
sanddude wrote:
Let's have a FRIENDLY discussion
Going against your own rules there, eh?
We ARE allowed to critisize other people's music. Esp. if it's evil like Country!

What I meant was no swearing, no racism, etc.

Country music isn't evil, that's only your opinion. And we're allowed to criticize other people's music ONLY IF we are being respectful when doing it. Swearing and racism are of course already not allowed anywhere here so why would you say them? It's common sense to not use either.

DaGamez · 2010-09-12 17:30:08

Well, don't use Korn as an example for Rock, Korn sucks. Having good Rock music, it's perfect. The Beatles Forever.
But anyways, Eminem is okay, but I don't really like rap.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 17:33:17

DaGamez wrote:
Well, don't use Korn as an example for Rock, Korn sucks. Having good Rock music, it's perfect. The Beatles Forever.
But anyways, Eminem is okay, but I don't really like rap.

Korn's decent.

KalinaStar · 2010-09-12 17:34:27

DaGamez wrote:
Well, don't use Korn as an example for Rock, Korn sucks. Having good Rock music, it's perfect. The Beatles Forever.
But anyways, Eminem is okay, but I don't really like rap.

Agreed.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 17:34:46

Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:
sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:
Ick. Ick. Ick.

Country music disgusts me!
Going against your own rules there, eh?
We ARE allowed to critisize other people's music. Esp. if it's evil like Country!

What I meant was no swearing, no racism, etc.
Country music isn't evil, that's only your opinion. And we're allowed to criticize other people's music ONLY IF we are being respectful when doing it. Swearing and racism are of course already not allowed anywhere here so why would you say them? It's common sense to not use either.

I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.

rufflebee · 2010-09-12 17:35:56

sanddude wrote:
Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:
sanddude wrote:

We ARE allowed to critisize other people's music. Esp. if it's evil like Country!

What I meant was no swearing, no racism, etc.
Country music isn't evil, that's only your opinion. And we're allowed to criticize other people's music ONLY IF we are being respectful when doing it. Swearing and racism are of course already not allowed anywhere here so why would you say them? It's common sense to not use either.
I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.

I don't think suicide should be blamed on the kind of music the person liked.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 17:47:28

KalinaStar wrote:
DaGamez wrote:
Well, don't use Korn as an example for Rock, Korn sucks. Having good Rock music, it's perfect. The Beatles Forever.
But anyways, Eminem is okay, but I don't really like rap.
Agreed.

Korn isn't the only one. There ARE more.

Aidan · 2010-09-12 19:03:17

sanddude wrote:
Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:
sanddude wrote:

We ARE allowed to critisize other people's music. Esp. if it's evil like Country!

What I meant was no swearing, no racism, etc.
Country music isn't evil, that's only your opinion. And we're allowed to criticize other people's music ONLY IF we are being respectful when doing it. Swearing and racism are of course already not allowed anywhere here so why would you say them? It's common sense to not use either.
I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.

I think you say it because it's not your personal taste in music. hmm

KalinaStar · 2010-09-12 19:07:03

I love Phoenix! It's rock...with nothing inappropriate.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 19:45:40

Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:
Ace-Of-Hearts wrote:
Country music isn't evil, that's only your opinion. And we're allowed to criticize other people's music ONLY IF we are being respectful when doing it. Swearing and racism are of course already not allowed anywhere here so why would you say them? It's common sense to not use either.
I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.
I think you say it because it's not your personal taste in music.

It IS my anti-taste in music, but it DID really rise the suicide rate.

Aidan · 2010-09-12 19:46:37

sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:

I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.
I think you say it because it's not your personal taste in music.
It IS my anti-taste in music, but it DID really rise the suicide rate.

Yeah, by like 0.005%. I bet rock music does a lot more.

demosthenes · 2010-09-12 19:59:41

sanddude wrote:
Aidan wrote:
sanddude wrote:

I say that Country music is evil, because it increased the suicide rate.
I think you say it because it's not your personal taste in music.
It IS my anti-taste in music, but it DID really rise the suicide rate.

There is no way to know it raised the suicide rate. The suicide rate may have raised when Country music was introduced, but that doesn't mean Country music raised the suicide rate.

Although, perhaps you know something I don't, in which case I stand corrected.

midnightleopard · 2010-09-12 20:04:00

Not all love songs are sexist, so perhaps you should request your title to be changed? It may throw some people off.

sanddude · 2010-09-12 21:22:45

midnightleopard wrote:
Not all love songs are sexist, so perhaps you should request your title to be changed? It may throw some people off.

I said ANTI-love song!

soupoftomato · 2010-09-12 21:23:47

sanddude wrote:
midnightleopard wrote:
Not all love songs are sexist, so perhaps you should request your title to be changed? It may throw some people off.
I said ANTI-love song!

Which people assumed meant, "thread against love songs"

midnightleopard · 2010-09-12 21:30:58

well, your rant seemed to be more against sexist songs. Sorry.

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