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#1 2010-09-12 13:59:55

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Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

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I dreamed a dream... that one day the Scratch viewer could be used on any web browser. I then thought about this idea and came up with this the
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How about we use a combination of:
HTML
PHP
J-Script
And others

To make a new Scratch viewer.

It would not use Flash, Squeak, Java or any others.

If we design it to scale to the screen then anything we view it on would be able to view Scratch projects.

If we made it using these we could view any project on a:
I-Pod
I-Phone
DS (with browser game)
DSi
DSi XL
3DS (When browser released)
Wii
Xbox
BlackBerry
Other smartphones (Windows Phone, Nokia, Android, etc.)
iPad
Other tablets (Samsung Tab, HP Slate, etc.)
And anything else with a web browser!

So can we make it?

Bob the Builder said:
Yes we can!

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#2 2010-09-12 14:10:40

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

lol! html, javascript and php are never going to be powerfull enough to do this!  tongue
Your best bet is if scratch MIT will make a flash applet to view projects!  wink


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#3 2010-09-12 14:12:10

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

What does it say, not using flash!!!


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#4 2010-09-12 14:13:39

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Its possibel to make games using these a example here

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#5 2010-09-12 15:27:38

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Daffy22 wrote:

lol! html, javascript and php are never going to be powerfull enough to do this!  tongue

Hahahaha....  hmm

...they already are.


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#6 2010-09-12 15:45:22

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

johnnydean1 wrote:

How about we use a combination of:
HTML
PHP
J-Script
And others

To make a new Scratch viewer.

It would not use Flash, Squeak, Java or any others.

If we design it to scale to the screen then anything we view it on would be able to view Scratch projects.

If we made it using these we could view any project on a:
I-Pod
I-Phone
DS (with browser game)
DSi
DSi XL
Wii
COMPUTER
And anything else with a web browser!


So can we make it?

Bob the Builder said:
Yes we can!

Ok, one thing you need to know is that HTML is how you code webpages, not applications on the webpage. Php... i'm sure that thats just like HTML, just more advanced, though it might be possible... JavaScrpt is like an extension to HTML (sortta) so I'm not exactly sure how you could write a project viewer with it. I personaly think that this is an impossible task forsaking Flash and Java.


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#7 2010-09-12 15:53:20

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

I'm not sure if this will help, but the people at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/ were able to do amazing things without Flash.

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#8 2010-09-12 16:20:36

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

wow!


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#9 2010-09-12 16:39:46

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Javascript is pretty powerful, also could use HTML5 for something i guess. Could export the project as XML then javascript client side and php server side if needed. AJAX if needed as well. It could be done

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#10 2010-09-12 16:43:33

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

markyparky56 wrote:

Ok, one thing you need to know is that HTML is how you code webpages, not applications on the webpage.
No, it jsut represents the elements themselves rather than graphical display (CSS) or dynamic-ness (JS)
Php... i'm sure that thats just like HTML, just more advanced, though it might be possible...
PHP is server-side; it would be used for registrations and saving, etc.

JavaScrpt is like an extension to HTML (sortta)
It can make HTML dynamic.
so I'm not exactly sure how you could write a project viewer with it.
Just lots of code; it wouldn't be too difficult.
I personaly think that this is an impossible task forsaking Flash and Java.
Nah, it wouldn't be that hard.


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#11 2010-09-12 16:49:34

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

So nXIII can I count on your help, you get credit and your name in every viewer


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#12 2010-09-12 18:45:37

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

I'm a little busy right now and this is a very big project. Sorry.


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#13 2010-09-12 19:32:30

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Well, If you are going to make it for the iPhone, that rules out everything except HTML5 and javascript. That still works though.


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#14 2010-09-13 16:08:31

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

(and CSS)

HTML5 is awesome! But I'm not sure it works on iPhones very well.


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#15 2010-09-13 16:20:47

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

how would you make a php viewer? Is that possible? JS could be done, and what about flash? The experimental viewer is great! It loads projects a lot better and sound actually works on linux!


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#16 2010-09-13 16:30:19

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Well, you couldn't make a PHP viewer. I think he meant PHP would be used for user accounts/saving projects.


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#17 2010-09-13 16:38:36

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Okay, I think I better sort things out:
- Non of the mentioned in this topic is possible to make a viewer!  mad
- You can make games in javascript but no chance of them been as advanced as scratch, plus loads of people have javascript disabled

I don't want to sound mean but you can not make another viewer with HTML, PHP or JavaScript!!!! so give up on that idea, sorry but it's the truth!  sad


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#18 2010-09-13 16:39:56

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

nXIII wrote:

Nah, it wouldn't be that hard.

I beg to differ, javascript, php and html are never going to be powerful enough to do this!  mad


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#19 2010-09-13 16:45:20

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Daffy22 wrote:

nXIII wrote:

Nah, it wouldn't be that hard.

I beg to differ, javascript, php and html are never going to be powerful enough to do this!  mad

I beg you to TO LET THEM DO AS THEY PLEASE  THen when they finished see if it does work.  that's alll i'm saying, 'k?


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#20 2010-09-13 17:53:02

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Daffy22 wrote:

nXIII wrote:

Nah, it wouldn't be that hard.

I beg to differ, javascript, php and html are never going to be powerful enough to do this!  mad

You have no idea what you're talking about!  mad

It can be done. I could do it. I don't want to because I'm too busy, but the point is that I could.

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#21 2010-09-13 20:01:49

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

johnnydean1 wrote:

Bob the Builder said:
Yes we can!

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Sad.


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#22 2010-09-13 20:19:13

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

johnnydean1 wrote:

So can we make it?

Bob the Builder said:
Yes we can!

I cracked up when I read that.

If I ever learn HTML 5 I would help.

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#23 2010-09-13 20:29:46

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

Uh, I hate to be the one to say this, but let me point out that JavaScript performance on mobile browsers is less than desirable, to put it lightly. Even if the viewer was actually displayed correctly, the speed would be mind-numbingly slow.

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#24 2010-09-17 21:13:18

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Re: Lets make a new Scratch viewer!

nXIII wrote:

Daffy22 wrote:

nXIII wrote:

Nah, it wouldn't be that hard.

I beg to differ, javascript, php and html are never going to be powerful enough to do this!  mad

You have no idea what you're talking about!  mad

It can be done. I could do it. I don't want to because I'm too busy, but the point is that I could.

Sometimes, I think we all forget, he's nXIII.

He can do anything!

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#25 2010-09-17 21:14:34

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Oops! Wrong account, I hate it when this happens!


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