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soupoftomato wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

I can't decide if the tl:dr is against or for God.

Just answer that question and keep the rest of religious thoughts discreetly hidden.

Well, for the most part, an author's stories reflect his thoughts, so I would say, yes, the tl;dr is against God. The story is completely, against God and says that our life is basically a dream- that this is not reality.

But Twain chose a demonic, evil, twisted, killer to portray that train of thought.

That's true, but it doesn't change the moral of the story. From the Wikipedia article, can you see any other "moral"? not counting "don't trust a handsome teenager named Satan"

rufflebee wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

But Twain chose a demonic, evil, twisted, killer to portray that train of thought.

That's true, but it doesn't change the moral of the story. From the Wikipedia article, can you see any other "moral"? not counting "don't trust a handsome teenager named Satan"

From the Wikipedia article, eh? Can't really base our opinions off of that..
Has anyone here actually read the book? I really want to now..

The book is unfinished- Mark Twain presumably died before he could finish it.

rufflebee wrote:

So?

It's unfinished. The only ending might even be the wrong ending- he wrote three different versions of the book, and after he died, the guy who held the manuscripts put the story with the wrong ending.

By the way, mind telling me your worldview now? This is the third time I've asked xD.

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rufflebee wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

By the way, mind telling me your worldview now? This is the third time I've asked xD.

lolwut
And, I was saying: you can read and interpret an unfinished book.. Kinda. I still want to read it.

Like, tell me your view of the world OR your interpretation of teh bookz.

You can sort of read and interpret it, but it depends on how much they've done. We don't know that this was the decided ending, do we?

rufflebee wrote:

The world is a place.
Thats all I think of it as, really.. But, then again, I'm eleven. I have eighty years to figure this out.

You're eleven? Whoa! I thought you were 13 xD.

Wait, you said that you completely agreed with Mark Twain. I had all sorts of logic prepared for you. WHY MUST YOU SUBMIT SO EASILY?

rufflebee wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

rufflebee wrote:

The world is a place.
Thats all I think of it as, really.. But, then again, I'm eleven. I have eighty years to figure this out.

You're eleven? Whoa! I thought you were 13 xD.

Wait, you said that you completely agreed with Mark Twain. I had all sorts of logic prepared for you. WHY MUST YOU SUBMIT SO EASILY?

I never directly stated that I completely agreed with him. (I think..)
And I'll probably think the same when I'm thirteen, anyway. However, I'm only eleven 

Can we just act like you did so we can start (or finish) the debate? xD

Anyways, I wouldn't use my automatic success or failure mechanism like you just did- "...And I'll probably think the same when I'm thirteen, anyway. However, I'm only eleven  "

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rufflebee wrote:

Sure.

'tis only a joke.

Anyways, I'm not quite sure that what Satan said was Mark Twain's worldview- if he thought that the human race, God, and the people around him were his creation, and that he was basically the only person that could "think", then why did he write the book? If they were all his thoughts, then the people wouldn't really care about the book and stuff.

Also, in one of his versions of the book, Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn had adventures with Satan...I'm not sure that'd end too well...

rufflebee wrote:

I doubt it was Mark Twain's world view. And if it was, it was definitely not exactly as he put it in that book. I think it just depends on how you interpet it, and as for my interpretation: Well, I'm not very sure to be honest.
Ahaha, but then again, I never know what I'm talking about, ever 

I think that it was somewhat his worldview, but likely not completely what he thought. Perhaps he died before he could 'take Satan down' so to speak, etc.?

rufflebee wrote:

I just haaaave to read this book now. I can't really base this discussion on a Wikipedia article.

True. To tell the truth, the copyright has expired, so you may be able to find it online for free.

Edit: Here you go: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3186

Apologies to mods if the eBook has bad language. I obviously haven't yet read it.

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rufflebee wrote:

Well, I'd prefer to finish the book I'm reading right now (Great Expectations  ) before I try to read something as confusing as this, and this'd make an interesting addition to my book shelf, so I'll be patient and wait until I finish what I'm reading now, and then my parents'll let me get a new book. But I have to read Twilight, too o_O

You have to read Twilight, or you want to read Twilight?

rufflebee wrote:

Well, I told helltank I would, so I feel as though I have to 

Oh xD.