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sparks wrote:

Harakou wrote:

Of course, does anyone really want to make a true AI? *cough* terminator *cough* 

Hmm, I think terminator is very fictional. Robotics and programming is years away from anything like that, and it may never be possible at all. You also have to bear in mind that world domination of machines is unlikely. I feel that scifi films like those create unecessary fears and illusions in the general public about robotics.

Oh come on, I was just kidding. KIDDING

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

helltank wrote:

Alright, we currently cannot create a learning AI, because to do that you would need to simulate the human brain. HOWEVER, we can create a simulated learning AI, which APPEARS to be intelligent but isn't. If you can create a true learning AI on Scratch, you'll have fame, fortune, and you're a genius.

What will you give me if I do it?

Sell your AI to the government. You'll be the next Albert Einstein. Oh, and I'll give you a million dollars, seeing as you cannot and will not do it.

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

helltank wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

What will you give me if I do it?

Sell your AI to the government. You'll be the next Albert Einstein. Oh, and I'll give you a million dollars, seeing as you cannot and will not do it.

do you really have a million dollars? Because you can be expecting a Learning AI on my page in a few months.

Probably not.

But honestly, creating a full-fledged Learning AI is pretty much impossible because it would have to be able to create more scripts and stuff, and maybe access other parts of your computer and the internet, etc. 

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

do you really have a million dollars? Because you can be expecting a Learning AI on my page in a few months.

Probably not.

But honestly, creating a full-fledged Learning AI is pretty much impossible because it would have to be able to create more scripts and stuff, and maybe access other parts of your computer and the internet, etc. 

When I say I will, I do.

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Sure, but if you say it's an actual full-fledged Learning AI, then you're guaranteed to get ranted at that it isn't by many people  . Just my advice.

Lucario621 wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

Probably not.

But honestly, creating a full-fledged Learning AI is pretty much impossible because it would have to be able to create more scripts and stuff, and maybe access other parts of your computer and the internet, etc. 

When I say I will, I do.

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Sure, but if you say it's an actual full-fledged Learning AI, then you're guaranteed to get ranted at that it isn't by many people  . Just my advice.

I know. I'll just tell them to look at the scripting. 

I'd just like to requote my list of specifications for AI as I would like to see if people agree with it or if it needs changing, after all, we might have trouble later on if we don't all call the same thing AI?

Sparks wrote:

something is AI when it...

1) is able to react in some way to any situation presented to it (even if that reaction is merely to observe it)

2) Is able to learn from past experience and put the information to use. (touching this object hurt me last time, don't do it again)

3) Is able to react to any stimuli in it's enviroment in a way that benifits it (e.g. avoids it's "health" dropping, trys not to break, do something that gets it food or power etc.)

AI does not have to:

1) communicate with humans (though a way to show what it's doing is useful)

2) use all the infomation it stores (we don't     )

these are just my defining points, perhapse we ought to start this thread by coming up with a list that defines AI, otherwise this will be alot harder. Feel free to edit, add or remove items (though explain why you did)  smile

Last edited by sparks (2010-08-25 09:16:31)

first a learning AI need's to know basic key word's in a sentence and then it get's taught new "keyier" words so it can understand the question/answer.
so i say a good place to start is with a chat bot type project that has keyword understanding, and also a "what i've learned" list and maybe something that can track what key words were used with the "keyier" words, kind of like tracking the context in witch the words were used.
it would be the same for actions.

A smart 'talking' 'AI' is very hard to do, However, things like Eliza (*nix, google it) have been done before, but I think scratches main use of AI is for games. Maybe it's possible to do A* or LRTA pathfinding or an expert system, although I don't think anything but an expert system is going to be of any use in Scratch.

Last edited by djmoomoo (2010-09-10 16:50:23)

XComputers wrote:

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

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Sure, but if you say it's an actual full-fledged Learning AI, then you're guaranteed to get ranted at that it isn't by many people  . Just my advice.

I know. I'll just tell them to look at the scripting. 

I hope Scratch 2.0 has an unlimited or high upload limit, because the upload limit for that type of AI would be WAY over Scratch 1.4's 10 megabytes of upload limit. At LEAST 20 megabytes, probably even more for your AI.

Code:

 Error: Over upload limit.

But you could still be working on it... I am, right now, working on AI. This is the first word I've said about me working on one. 

SeptimusHeap wrote:

I developed a sort of 'advanced' learning AI in Panther, not one that uses human used phrases at any time, that uses phrases at the appropriate times.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7681/scripts.gif

That gave an error for me...

roijac wrote:

look at this by me.
learning AI which could easily be optimised for other games 

Awesome!

Learning cats! 

It was mentioned earlier, BTW, but they didn't remember what project it was.

Last edited by Scratchthatguys (2011-09-24 19:06:44)

sparks wrote:

You know researchers across the globe are attempting this, and have yet to truly suceed... we're not going to manage it any time soon    however, we can have a go 

sep, you have to remember that our brains work at least partly in 1s and 0s 

Scientist 1:
Hey, these kids made a perfectly working AI. What have we got?

Scientist 2: LOL IT CAN SAY HELLO IN 34 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES

Scientist 1: And?

Scientist 2: That's it.

Scientist 1: *rages*

Sorry if this is spam, but I had to post it or I would have died laughing. 
All joking aside, AI is a very interesting topic.